Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

Pac_Man

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Zdaj mi pa povej, kje lahko kot zasebnik v Rusiji kupiš to



to



in to



Vsi trije kosi so ali specifični za rusko vojsko ali pa je bil isti kos orožja posnet na obeh straneh meje.
 

doctorz

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Kako pa ti ves kje je kaj posneto lahko grem jaz zdaj na polje slikat traktor pa recem da je slika iz ukrajine. Trava je zelena povsod bodite malo manj naivni.
Ce pa ze je ta roba v ukrajini pac milijoni ali milijarde kupijo marsikaj to bi lahko ze vedel
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Ytbnd

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Tudi če bi lahko kupil (ala mafia style), ti nič ne koristi ker je ne znaš uporabljati.
 

boomslang

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Hm, hm... A , da slikica pomeni toliko, kot nič ali kako.... Pa ne,da bi se morda našel, nekdo in argumentirano negiral datume in dogotke, ki so pripeljali do države Ukrajine v obsegu kakršno danes poznamo.... Pa kar Varjagi, pa Mongoli, hehehe... Po dolgozgodovinski logiki, ki jo podajaš s temi linki Tudi Sovenci nekako ne spadamo na območje na keterem smo sedaj....Dejstvo je zgolj in samo eno... Brez Rusov, Ukrajina ne bi nikoli niti obstojala, da o velikosti trenutnega teritorija niti ne govorim...
 

AndY1

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Si mislil, da bo kaj drugače?

USA+EU <> Rusija+Kitajska

Nimajo samo američani zaveznikov.
 

Ytbnd

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Kitajska bo Rusiji "pomagala" , da bo s tem najbolj pomagala sebi.
Kot je bi bil Putinov "sanjski" plinski deal z njimi.
 

AndY1

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Kot da je ameriški plin za Evropo kaj boljšega. Plačevali ga bomo drago kot žafran.
 

boomslang

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"USA+EU <> Rusija+Kitajska" - Vprašanje je samo, kdo je komu pudelj, ali pa tudi ne... Nasploh pa je verjetno jasno , da je dolgoročno v tej enačbi največji looser EU...
 

Pac_Man

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Msta-S:

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Rostov, video naložen 30.julija 2014:


Dotična havbica se pripelje mimo ob 9. sekundi. Naložena je na ruskem vojaškem tovornjaku z rusko vojaško registracijo (regija 21 - Severni Kakvaz (Čečenija), po novem južni vojaški becirk) in ima prebarvano taktično oznako/številko na boku - flika drugega odtenka zelene. Le zakaj? Civilna vozila imajo ruske tablice iz regije 61 & 161 - rostovska oblast.

Lokacija je geoolocirana v Rostovu.

Google Street View

Članek s fotografijo o vajah v Čečeniji

http://survincity.com/2009/11/gunners-south-master-modern-self-propelled/



Fotografija je zanič, ampak kamo shema je podobna.


Okolica Novoazovska, Al Jazeera, 4. september 2014:


Pridirka mimo pri 0:23.

Geolokacija:

Google Maps





Dashcam za geolokacijo, pri 11:44:




Še enkrat - 4. septembra 2014 se je samohodna havbica Msta-S ruske vojske nahajala na teritoriju republike Ukrajine. Bo šlo?
 

Pac_Man

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Na Al Jaazerinem video se pripelje mimo tudi tovornjak z gorivom. Če mu piše Vnetljivo! v ruščini in ne ukrajinščini, smo spet tam kjer ni muh. Zdajle se mi ne da preverjat.
 

Ytbnd

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Nikakor.
Kot kaže bodo marca 2015 že vse storitve opravljali v usd/eur.

Običajni Rusi praznijo banke/avtomate in menjujejo rublje v zgoraj omenjeni valuti.
 

Pac_Man

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Še tretjič, Krugman @ NYT

Conquest Is for Losers
Putin, Neocons and the Great Illusion

Citat:

More than a century has passed since Norman Angell, a British journalist and politician, published “The Great Illusion,” a treatise arguing that the age of conquest was or at least should be over. He didn’t predict an end to warfare, but he did argue that aggressive wars no longer made sense — that modern warfare impoverishes the victors as well as the vanquished.

He was right, but it’s apparently a hard lesson to absorb. Certainly Vladimir Putin never got the memo. And neither did our own neocons, whose acute case of Putin envy shows that they learned nothing from the Iraq debacle.

Angell’s case was simple: Plunder isn’t what it used to be. You can’t treat a modern society the way ancient Rome treated a conquered province without destroying the very wealth you’re trying to seize. And meanwhile, war or the threat of war, by disrupting trade and financial connections, inflicts large costs over and above the direct expense of maintaining and deploying armies. War makes you poorer and weaker, even if you win.

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Which brings us to two big questions. First, why did Mr. Putin do something so stupid? Second, why were so many influential people in the United States impressed by and envious of his stupidity?

The answer to the first question is obvious if you think about Mr. Putin’s background. Remember, he’s an ex-K.G.B. man — which is to say, he spent his formative years as a professional thug. Violence and threats of violence, supplemented with bribery and corruption, are what he knows. And for years he had no incentive to learn anything else: High oil prices made Russia rich, and like everyone who presides over a bubble, he surely convinced himself that he was responsible for his own success. At a guess, he didn’t realize until a few days ago that he has no idea how to function in the 21st century.

The answer to the second question is a bit more complicated, but let’s not forget how we ended up invading Iraq. It wasn’t a response to 9/11, or to evidence of a heightened threat. It was, instead, a war of choice to demonstrate U.S. power and serve as a proof of concept for a whole series of wars neocons were eager to fight. Remember “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran”?

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The truth, however, is that war really, really doesn’t pay. The Iraq venture clearly ended up weakening the U.S. position in the world, while costing more than $800 billion in direct spending and much more in indirect ways. America is a true superpower, so we can handle such losses — although one shudders to think of what might have happened if the “real men” had been given a chance to move on to other targets. But a financially fragile petroeconomy like Russia doesn’t have the same ability to roll with its mistakes.

I have no idea what will become of the Putin regime. But Mr. Putin has offered all of us a valuable lesson. Never mind shock and awe: In the modern world, conquest is for losers.
 

Rosenthal

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Foreign Bankers Rape Ukraine

Citat:
The US-picked Ukraine President, billionaire oligarch Petro Poroshenko called “snap” elections at the end of August for October 26. He did so to make sure genuine opposition to his regime of murderers, gangsters and in some cases outright Nazis would be able to push an unprepared genuine opposition out of the Verkhovna Rada or Parliament. Because the parliament had significant opposition parties to the US-engineered February 22 coup d’Etat, they had blocked many key pieces of legislation that the Western vultures were demanding, from changing key land ownership laws to privatization of precious state assets. By law, the old parliament would have sat until its five year term ended in October, 2017. That was clearly too long for State Department neo-con Ukraine puppet-mistress Victoria Nuland and her backers in Washington.