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Pac_Man

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Za vse je kriva CIA. Na letalo so podstavili dve!!!! bombi in prepričali Ukrajince, da za vsak slučaj uporabijo še Buk. Ampak Ukrajinci so bili pač Ukrajinci in je raketa zatajila, zato sta svoje opravili bombi.

In to ni z obskurnega bloga, ampak iz današnje izdaje Komsomolske pravde.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomolskaya_Pravda

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The paper is owned by Media Partner, which in turn is owned by ECN Group, an energy company led by Grigory Berezkin, who has close links to Gazprom.
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Its March 2008 circulation certified by the NCS was 660,000 copies and it was the most read paper in the country based on the findings by the TNS Gallup Media. The same year online version of the paper was also the most visited news website.

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/

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And where was laid the explosives?

The first - under the board instruments pilot. As a result, the cabin seemed to break. Second - in the cargo bay, not far from the left engine of the aircraft.

That there were two explosives?

Yes. What proves the physics and dynamics of the rupture plane. It was camouflaged explosive device, possibly packed with striking elements. The aircraft was fitted with detonators, which is not excluded, activated satellite signal.

They are undermining the plane most likely at the airport of the Netherlands. Surely the Americans were working for the secret services of Holland. Mined aircraft is impossible without the involvement of the security services of the country where it occurs.

But initially the plane would still shoot from the Ukrainian "Buka"?

Yes, we have a video made on a mobile phone Security Service officer in the cockpit SAM "Buk". And the logic of command is quite clear: should now be fired a missile at a moving target. In the end it is clear that the missile is said to have a professional rocket men, "I did not go".

Why?

Still, SAM "Buk" - a complex military instrument, which are able to use only trained people. It seems that the Ukrainian military did not have enough training.

But that was the idea of ​​the CIA even if the missile launch goes wrong, the plane should still be lost. That confirms record telephone conversations of CIA officers who were at this time in Ukraine. This is David Hamilton, working undercover as a member of the National Democratic Institute (NDI) and David Lloyd Stern, who was represented by journalists of various international media.

According to our sources, Stern arrived in Ukraine as a curator-manager undercover operation codenamed "17.17." These CIA had to coordinate actions of the Ukrainian side. Perhaps one of them and pressed a "button", including an explosive device on board - has sent a signal via satellite.

Lahko ZN razglasijo celo državo za mentalno inštitucijo ter jim ostali začnemo izvažat svoje norce in s tem končamo to zgodbo? Prostora imajo dovolj. Ker tole...
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Pac_Man

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13. oktobra bo uradno znano, da je bil za sestrelitev kriv buk.

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Ne bodo se ukvarjali s poreklom, ampak o tem je dovolj dokazov.
 

Pac_Man

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Bellingcat je izdal zadnji povzetek OSI o MH17

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/10/08/mh17-the-open-source-evidence/

najbolj zanimiv del:

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On July 22, 2014, US intelligence officials published a black and white satellite map image[25] depicting what they claimed to be the path of the Buk missile that downed MH17. Although the quality of the US imagery is poor, it was possible to identify the launch site shown.



Using geographical landmarks in the US imagery, it was possible to identify the same landmarks in Google Earth satellite imagery, and from that determine the launch location. The image below shows origin point in the US imagery in relation to the field visited by Oliphant and Miller, which, again, is in line with the smoke in the photograph posted on Twitter.

 

AndY1

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A to je ta Bellingcat, ki je rekel, da so ruski posnetki bombardiranj v Siriji, ponaredki?
 

Pac_Man

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Vse pobrkljano.

Bellingcat ni oseba, ampak stran za raziskovalno novinarstvo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Higgins#Bellingcat

Ti misliš Elliota Higginsa, ki je znan tudi kot Brown Moses. Pod tem nickom je prej fural blog, njegov prvi veliki uspeh pa je bilo razkritje hrvaškega orožja v Siriji.

http://brown-moses.blogspot.com/2013/01/are-yugoslavian-anti-tank-weapons-being.html

http://brown-moses.blogspot.com/2014/03/isis-deploys-croatian-weapons-against.html

Za videoposnetke nihče ne trdi, da so fejk, samo ne prikazujejo tega, kar trdi rusko ministrstvo za obrambo. Npr. napišejo, da gre za bombardiranje IS komandnega centa v Raqqi, v resnici je tarča v Homsu in IS daleč stran.

https://bellingcat.checkdesk.org/en/story/736
 

Matey

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Spet nekaj, kar temelji na ameriških dokazih, how sweet
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(se opravičujem, če to ni temelj zaključka raziskave, res nisem šel u nulo brat popolnoma vsega, da znajo pa Ameri dobre zgodbice sestavljat je pa tudi splošno znano).

Glede na vsesplošno zunanjepolitično dogajanje v zadnjih letih ter predvsem v zadnjih tednih v Siriji, jim ne verjamem ama nič. Če bi mi Ameri povedali, da je zdaj zunaj dan, bi vstal in šel ven to preverit kljub temu, da vem koliko je ura in posledično tudi ali je zunaj res dan.
 

Pac_Man

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The image below shows origin point in the US imagery in relation to the field visited by Oliphant and Miller, which, again, is in line with the smoke in the photograph posted on Twitter.

Fino je, če se dokazi iz različnih virov med seboj skladajo, ne?

Tukaj ameriški podatki kažejo na isto lokacijo, kot fotografije dimne sledi. Dva novinarja sta na tem polju našla ožgane sledi izstrelitve, lokalci v bližnji vasi pa so slišali pok.
 
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Izbrisan uporabnik #488

Lej, so pač sklatli dol Malezijsko letalo.

Kaj je pa tam letelo nad vojnim območjem.

Tako je čisto vseeno, kdo ga je snel.

Sistem je zaznal leteči objekt in so ga pospravili, verjetno je bila komanda, da na nebu ne sme leteli niti ptica.

Pojdi se ti Pacman sprehajat na fronto v Siriji med ISIS in Sirijci. Med njimi hodi.

Pa te bo ziher nekaj zadelo, čeprav si turist...
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boomslang

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Defense and security analyst Richard Galustian, who has worked in the Middle East and North African countries for some 40 years, told RT that the founder of Bellingcat, Eliot Higgins, cannot be taken seriously as he heavily relies on unverifiable and “manipulated” social media sources.

“[He] is a complete fraudster. An unemployed internet addict who for ridiculous reasons ‘sells’ himself as an expert … [Higgins] is part of a new generation of cyber armchair sleuths who use open source social media to gather ‘intelligence’ from on the ground,” Galustian said.
 

Pac_Man

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V torek pride ven uradno poročilo in se malo mudi z diskvalifikacijo.
 

boomslang

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Uporabnik pinkobalinko pravi:
No ja, vse našteto velja prav tako za RT. Kaj pa sedaj?
Enako, kot CNN Reuters ali Al Lažira.... V principu se na resnih forumih novic s twitov ne uporablja dokler niso potrjene, če pa že se pa vedno opozori na to. Seveda pa Alter ni resen forum, kar se vidi tudi iz tvojega zapisa.... RT samo navaja strokovnjaka ( Galustian ) za te zadeve, razumeš, kaj hočem povedati.... Me pa v principu ta tema niti ne zanima, samo toliko, da malo ponagajam twiterkemu buhteljčku na tem forumu..
 

Pac_Man

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To ni novica s tvita, ampak gre za 25 stransko poročilo

https://www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MH17-The-Open-Source-Evidence-EN.pdf




Takole izgleda panika:

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151009/1028254007/russia-MH17-experiment.html

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On October 13 Russia’s Almaz-Antey missile manufacturer will present the results of its experimental destruction of a Boeing jet similar to the MH17 plane shot down over Ukraine last year to prove the jet was not shot down by modern Russian weapons, Russian media reported Thursday.

Čisto slučajno hkrati z nizozemskim poročilom.
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RT&co. bodo tako ali tako ponoreli, verjetno pa računajo tudi na omembe v zahodnih člankih. "Report the controversy", tudi če je ena stran domišljijski spis.

Rusija je nizozemske papirje dobila v roke že pred meseci, zato je vse skupaj še bolj zgovorno. Almaz-Antey je specializiran za sisteme zemlja-zrak, ideja o sestrelitvi z letalom je out. Dvomim tudi, da bi šli skozi ves ta trud, če ni v poročilu definirana vsaj približna lokacija izstrelitve.

V glavnem, v torek bo pestro.
 

AndY1

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Verjamem, ampak tvojih špekulacij je toliko, da jih, vsaj jaz, sploh ne berem več.

Težko se razbere zrno od plevela, tako da raje kar preskočim.
 
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