iOS vs. Android vs. WP

Ali ni?

IMO only, mislim, da ne. Ne po količini in ne po kvaliteti. Sicer se v SLO in ex-Yu prodaja kot TOP, na zahodu pa jih je videti v borbi v nižjem-srednjem razredu z izjemo linij kot sta Pininfarina, Rashid, ipd, s katerimi želijo navzgor. Sry za offtopic. Nimam nič proti G, poanta je bila samo ta, da je treba brati kar z veliko rezerve charte, ki so objavljeni na "WP/MS" straneh za MS produkte, in isto velja za Android ali jabko. laž > velika laž > statistika

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Pri tablicah je Apple doživel pravi polom:

... the tablet market itself fell 8% to 224.3 million unit in 2015, while iOS shipments dropped 22% and Android shipments -7% YoY.

Windows tablets however grew 59% Year on Year.

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-tablets-took-11-market-share-in-2015-mainly-from-apple/

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he he, vedno je zanimivo videti ko "domači" objavi podatke za "sebe", kot npr. Gorenje pravi za sebe, da je eden vodilnih proizvajalcev bele tehnike

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Kdo je "domači" v tem primeru? Si pogleda vir podatkov? Ker vem da se ti ne da klikniti povezave, si samo URL pogledal in po tem sklepal ti tule prilepim še objavo IDC-ja, ki nima veze z MS, WP,...


For the Second Straight Quarter the Worldwide Tablet Market Experiences Contraction Amid Competition from Alternative Devices, According to IDC

30 Apr 2015

FRAMINGHAM, Mass., April 30, 2015 – Worldwide tablet shipments recorded a year-over-year decline for the second consecutive quarter in the first quarter of 2015 (1Q15). Overall shipments for tablets and 2-in-1 devices fell to 47.1 million in 1Q15, a -5.9% decline from the same quarter a year ago, according to preliminary data from the International Data Corporation (IDC) Worldwide Quarterly Tablet Tracker.

"The market slowdown that we witnessed last quarter is continuing to impact the tablet segment, but we see some growth areas that are starting to materialize," said Jean Philippe Bouchard, Research Director, Tablets. "Cellular-enabled tablets are outgrowing the rest of the market, providing an additional revenue stream for OEMs and mobile operators. In addition to driving higher usage than Wi-Fi-only tablets, cellular-enabled tablets also help position the segment as true mobile solutions rather than stay-at-home devices."

Apple still leads the overall market despite five consecutive quarters of negative annual shipment growth. Apple shipped 12.6 million iPads in the first quarter, capturing 26.8% of the market in volume and declining -22.9% when compared to 1Q14. Samsung (19.1% share) maintained its second place in the market despite a -16.5% decline in shipments compared to the same period last year. Lenovo (5.3% share), Asus (3.8 %) and LG (3.1%) rounded out the top 5 positions. LG's year-over-year growth was notable as it continues to benefit from US carriers' strategy to bundle connected tablets with existing customers.

"Although the tablet market is in decline, 2-in-1's are certainly a bright spot," said Jitesh Ubrani, Senior Research Analyst, Worldwide Quarterly Tablet Tracker. "While 2-in-1, or detachables, still account for a small portion of the overall market, growth in this space has been stunning as vendors like Asus, Acer, and E-FUN have been able to offer products at a fantastic value; and vendors like Microsoft have been able to drive growth at the high end with devices like the Surface Pro 3."

As a result of the recent market contraction, IDC believes tablet OEM's should continue to focus on potential growth areas like the aforementioned cellular-enabled tablets and 2-in-1 devices. The commercial segment remains an area to watch for both tablets and 2-in-1's. However, as of now, commercial uptake has been relatively slow as IT buyers continue to evaluate their mobile strategies.

Tablet Vendor Highlights

Apple's iPads continue to suffer from the success of the new iPhone and to a lesser extent of the Mac product line. IDC expects Apple to record negative growth until the iPad portfolio is significantly refreshed, either with the expected increase in screen sizes or by introducing a dedicated version of iOS for its tablet lineup.

Samsung managed to maintain its position in the market despite a significant decline in shipment volumes. The market shift to connected tablets will likely benefit the Korean vendor as they can and should leverage their mobile expertise and carrier relationships.

Lenovo is one of the few tablet vendors that continues to grow in a declining market. The company's wide range of products – including plenty of low-cost offerings – are proving popular in a growing number of regions and it is a brand that performs well in the adjacent PC and smartphone markets.

Asus' new Transformer lineup launched in mid-February, leading to less-than-expected growth in the first quarter. However the new "Chi" devices have been well received in developed markets. In emerging markets, Asus' Fonepad 7 continues to gain traction as the demand for voice capabilities grows in emerging regions.

It wasn't too long ago that LG Electronics exited the tablet market due to the poor performance of its original Optimus Pad. However, since returning to the tablet business in late 2013, LG has been able to leverage its relationship with local telcos, garnering an impressive 10% growth over the fourth quarter in a market that declined -38% quarter over quarter and capturing a spot in the worldwide Top 5.

In Applu je prodaja PADLA za 22 %

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25593415

Ja ipad prodaja pada že nekaj časa. Razlogov za to je več. Med drugim tudi da ljudje ne vedo kaj naj počnejo s tablicami, ker vse to lahko storijo že na telefonih. posebej na takih, ki imajo 5.5'' zaslon ali večji. Potem se tablica zreducira na napravo, na kateri otroci gledajo risanke. To pomeni, da se upgrade cikel poveča.

Ni pa tudi pomagalo, da Apple lani ni izdal novega Air-a. Pro ni za vsakega, Mini 4 pa tudi ni bil nič več kot catcup performanc do Air 2, ki je bil izdan 2014. In veliko ljudi je počakalo z upgradom.

Problem je tudi, da apple tablica ni uporabna kot "nadomestek PCja", windows pa vsekakor to lahko je, kar se tudi dokazuje z boljšimi tablicami, recimo surface linijo pri m$.

Ja "problem" je tudi v tem, da microsoftove prenosnike s snemljivo tipkovnico štejejo v statistiko za tablice.

Sej bodo tja steli tudi IKopijo. Tko da ni panike.
Sicer pa android obstaja tudi s taksnimi prenosniki. Jaz v tem ne vidim nic narobe.

Jaz tudi ne. Samo za mene je neuporabno. Za na kavč rabim nekaj kompaktnega, za delo pa 2 x 24'' ekrana. Za mene so prenosniki preteklost. Za druge pa ne morem govorit.

Bistvo 2in1 tabletov je točno v tem vseeno, kompaktno a včasih vseeno pride prav tudi hard tipkovnica. Pa spet nekaj, kar v primeru uporabe tipkovnice ni invalidno, se pravi lahko laufaš take programe kot hočeš. V tem je prihodnost in k temu bodo šli vsi proizvajalci.

V bistvu ni poanta v tipkovnici. Tudi na android tablice in ipade lahko priklopiš tipkovnico. Logitec prodaja zelo dobre za oboje. Pri telefonih se je izkazalo, da preslikava desktop mentalitete slaba. Tablice so pa sedaj nekje vmes. Jaz še vedno mislim, da so univerzalne aplikacije slaba opcija. Predvsem zato, ker je za touch treba oklestiti in poenostaviti UI. Kar posledično pomeni, da imaš tudi na desktopu okleščen UI. Jaz na 24'' monitorju nimam novenega namena gledati aplikacije, ki je bila narejena za 10'' ekran. Aplikacija, ki je narejena za miš in tipkovnico, ke pa grozno uporabljati na dotik.

To baziram na lastnih izkušnjah. Sicer nimam windows tablice/prenosnika, imam pa stacionarno mašino z windows 10, na katero se z ipada povežem preko RDP. MS ima zelo dobro aplikacijo za RDP na iOS, ki omogoča, da desktop mašino uporabljam kot tablico. Samo to ni to. Za nekaj na hitro narediti je OK. Ne bi pa nikoli menjal ipada z windowsi.

So minili časi, ko je gil GUI sam sebi namen in prekompliciran in predvsem načičkan. Nove smernice so minimalistične in temu bo sledil tudi GUI. Ne zato ker je zadeva požrešna, ampak enostavno nov look, tako kot v modnem svetu. Zdaj če govorimo o funkcionalnosti GUI-a potem je treba jasno povedat, da trenutni v ničemer ne zaostaja, opcije so čisto vse prisotne, izgled je pa drugačen. Čeprav je miška še vedno glavni element brskanja, so recimo gestures tak tipičen primer, ki se je naselil tudi k upravljanju z miško. Nekoč pa miške ne bo več in jasno da GUI ne more ostati tak, kot da je iz leta 1980.

Nove smernice je postavil ravno MS z Metro oz. Modern oblikovanjem. Pravzaprav so že ob spremembi GUI v Office-u (2007?) začeli s pripravami na touch GUI.

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LOL, ribbon meniji iz offica so ravno nasprotno, oz to kar je moj point. En kup funkcionalnosti so iz menijev in popup oken porinili na ekran, da so takoj vidni. Ko je office nastal so bili 14'' CRT monitorji z resolucijo 640x480 in vsak pixel je bil na zaslonu dragocen. Sedaj so pa veliko večji ekrani in si lahko dovoliš malo več prostora za opcije, ki niso nujno potrebne za večino vsakodnevnega dela. Delo z office programi je sedaj hitrejše, ker ni treba po menijih isksti teh funkcij. Na mobilnih napravah je pa zopet borba za vsak milimeter prostora. In se te opcije selijo nazaj v podmenije.

Na mobilnih napravah imaš že sedaj 4K resolucijo, kar še malokateri prenosnik zmore...

Kaj ti pomaga resolucija, če z debelim moškim prstom knofa ne zadaneš.

"Jaz še vedno mislim, da so univerzalne aplikacije slaba opcija. Predvsem zato, ker je za touch treba oklestiti in poenostaviti UI. "

Fora univerzalnih appov (če misliš MS sistem) je ravno v tem, da se UI spremeni glede na napravo in velikost zaslona... Poglej si kak posnetek continuuma kako se npr. mobilni excel transformira v namiznega na velikem zaslonu.

Bil WP fan odkar sem prvič videl Lumia 800 in jo potem tudi nabavil.. Za njo sem prešaltal na 625.. Ker so nas tako lepo na WP
za****l s tem, da nismo dobli 8.0 ampak 7.5 OS... Konstantno čakanje na aplikacije (včasih jih sploh ni bilo) in konstantno
crashanje med browsanjem (tudi če sem browsal le 1 stran) me je pripeljalo do tega, da sem šel na Android..
WP je bil lep eksperiment, ki pa je konkretno failal... žal :/

Sedaj na LG G4, ko imam vse nastavljeno kak hočem in res kak hočem.. Od ikon do ure do vsega in deluje gladko in brez problema..
Da o 3-10+ aplikacij za 1 stvar sploh ne govorim.. Imaš izbiro in lahko poskusiš vsako dokler ne najdeš tiste, ki ti odgovarja (to sem delal
z glasbenimi playerji za fon in pristal na PowerAmp)..
Tudi po 3 strani browsam hkrati medtem, ko se v ozadju še menim preko FBja (Tinfoil for Facebook) in iščem video na youtubu...

iOS pa je fain pa vse, ampak precenjeni telefoni, ki svojega denarja niso vredni..

Zaenkrat še samo ocena, a očitno gre iPad po poti iPoda...

Not only are fiscal second quarter iPhone sales expected to drop below last year's figure, we could see a record low number of iPad shipments at the same time. Digitimes Research predicts that the company will deliver 9.8 million slates during the January through March time period. That would be a decline of 39.1% sequentially from the fiscal first quarter, and a 20% decline in iPad shipments year-over-year.

http://www.phonearena.com/news...ord-low_id78407

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In 2012, the Apple iPad had a 98% share of tablets purchased by the federal government. Last year, that number faded to 61% During the same time period, the share of federal government purchases of Surface/Windows powered tablets rose from practically 0% to last year's 25%. Android powered slates made up 11% of the total last year.

http://www.phonearena.com/news...-buyers_id78401