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Pa saj je samo mala kršitev zračnega prostora.
Še celo Erdogan pravi, da za to res ni potrebno streljat.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872
"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said.
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To se je zdaj usral, ker nima zaveznikov v kurčeve. NATU.
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ni nujno. mogoče je ukaz izdal en malo preveč navdušen oficir. ne more imeti vsakega vojaka posebej na špagici. mogoče pa se sedaj erdogan samo ven vleče politično zaradi domače javnosti... težko da bi prišlo do njega tako hitro in bi kar on ukazal sestrelitev.
 
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Še en ruski general si želi prilagat tretjo zvezdico
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Andrej Kartopolov, 21. julij 2014:

Andrej Kartopolov 3. oktober 2015:

 
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Ko so sirijci sestrelili turško letalo, ki je letelo v sirijskem zračnem prostoru več kot minuto, je bilo stališče NATA sledeče:
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-3E1CD386-07A55799/natolive/news_88652.htm

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The North Atlantic Council discussed the shooting down of a Turkish aircraft by Syria. We consider this act to be unacceptable and condemn it in the strongest terms. It is another example of the Syrian authorities’ disregard for international norms, peace and security, and human life.
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Ko je, domnevno, rusko letalo bilo v turškem zračnem prostoru 17 sekund, pa tole: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_125052.htm

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As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO Ally, Turkey.
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Pac_Man, ti boš tole vedel. Kje sta zdaj pilota, za katera so turki popoldne govorili, da sta še živa in v njihovih rokah?
 
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Prvi je bil očitno mrtev, v Siriji, že dopoldne - so fotke - drugi je menda prav tako mrtev.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3u3d8p/pilot_saw_turkish_f16s_russian_plane_warned_tens/

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Airline pilot who took off from Turkey this morning claims that he heard a call on a Turkish emergency frequency about a plane entering Turkish airspace if it didn't change course. Later he saw Turkish F-16s pass his plane and was told to fly low in order not to disturb them.

It was supposed to be an ordinary flight, but that changed quickly when two F-16s flew past his cockpit. A pilot who flew for a commercial airline this morning was put in the middle of an international conflict. He tells his story to RTL Nieuws

"Just after we took off we heard an emergency call from the Turkish air force on an emergency frequency. It warned of an incoming plane that would enter Turkish airspace if it didn't not change course immediately", says the pilot who wishes to remain anonymous. RTL Nieuws has investigated his background. According to the pilot the warning was repeated multiple times and the frequency of the warning went up when the plane passed the Turkish-Syrian border.


At one point the pilot received a request to stay low, because F-16s were coming his direction. In the meantime the Turkish air force kept warning the Russian plane. "The plane was literally called tens of times by the Turks, but no answer was received. Not once did we hear the Russians, so they didn't answer", the pilot says, who could follow everything through his radio.
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Airline pilot who took off from Turkey this morning claims that he heard a call on a Turkish emergency frequency about a plane entering Turkish airspace if it didn't change course. Later he saw Turkish F-16s pass his plane and was told to fly low in order not to disturb them.

It was supposed to be an ordinary flight, but that changed quickly when two F-16s flew past his cockpit. A pilot who flew for a commercial airline this morning was put in the middle of an international conflict. He tells his story to RTL Nieuws

"Just after we took off we heard an emergency call from the Turkish air force on an emergency frequency. It warned of an incoming plane that would enter Turkish airspace if it didn't not change course immediately", says the pilot who wishes to remain anonymous . RTL Nieuws has investigated his background. According to the pilot the warning was repeated multiple times and the frequency of the warning went up when the plane passed the Turkish-Syrian border.


At one point the pilot received a request to stay low, because F-16s were coming his direction. In the meantime the Turkish air force kept warning the Russian plane. "The plane was literally called tens of times by the Turks, but no answer was received. Not once did we hear the Russians, so they didn't answer", the pilot says, who could follow everything through his radio.
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torej so ga turki dvajsetkrat opozorili ko je letal po siriji?
 
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Res so prizadeti ali pa namerno izzivajo Rusijo / 3. svetovno vojno. V tuji državi, kjer nimajo kaj počet, so opozarjali rusko letalo, da krši zračni prostor tuje države ? To morš bit butl, res. Da pa pol napadeš še reševalni helikopter...
Mogoče bi se izvlekli, če bi solzni na kolenih izročili nepoškodovana pilota + vojaka.
Da je tak de.bil lah predsednik ene države pa res ne morem verjet.
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Opozorila so bila med približevanjem meji.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-warns-ruaf-su-24/

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The following audio was recorded on the international UHF Emergency frequency 243.000 MHz by a reader who wishes to remain anonymous. We have no way to verify whether the audio was really recorded earlier today and we must highlight that similar messages have been radioed to unknown/Russian aircraft in the vicinity of the Turkish airspace in the past as well and recorded/heard by radio-hams and airband listeners located in Turkey and Greece.
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Na povezavi je predvajalnik ali

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2430000.wav

Lahko gre tudi za fejk, ne bi bilo prvič.
 
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Kaj se stori, ko v resnih tiskovnih agencijah pride do napake:

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Opozorila so bila med približevanjem meji.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/audio-tuaf-warns-ruaf-su-24/

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The following audio was recorded on the international UHF Emergency frequency 243.000 MHz by a reader who wishes to remain anonymous. We have no way to verify whether the audio was really recorded earlier today and we must highlight that similar messages have been radioed to unknown/Russian aircraft in the vicinity of the Turkish airspace in the past as well and recorded/heard by radio-hams and airband listeners located in Turkey and Greece.
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Na povezavi je predvajalnik ali

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2430000.wav

Lahko gre tudi za fejk, ne bi bilo prvič.
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torej turki dejansko niso nič rekli da bi letalo sploh prišlo v turčijo opozarjali pa so ga ko je po siriji letal?
 
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Opozarjali, ko je letal po Siriji, sprožili raketo, ko je bil v Turčiji, raketa ga je zadela ko je bil spet v Siriji.

Nekaj takega.
 
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No ja, za tako majhno kršitev, če je sploh bila nebi bilo treba sestreliti letalo. Je pa tudi res, da bi morali Rusi malo pomisliti kje napadajo, saj so na tistem območju v večini turških korenin.
 
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IraqiSuryani ‏@IraqiSuryani1 · 33m33 minutes ago
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2nd #Russian pilot was rescued after #Syrian special forces launched a successful search & rescue operation lasting 6 hours.





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2nd #Russian pilot was transported to Bassel Al-Assad Int. Airport
 
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Opozarjali, ko je letal po Siriji, sprožili raketo, ko je bil v Turčiji, raketa ga je zadela ko je bil spet v Siriji.

Nekaj takega.
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Tukaj je potrebno razumeti Putina, zakaj je rekel, da je bil to nož v hrbet. Rusi so z američani pred kratkim podpisali tale sporazum:
Russia, US sign cooperation deal on Syria airstrikes

ki je vključeval tudi vse države boja proti ISIS-u, katera naj bi bila tudi Turčija:
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its US counterparts have pledged to convey the agreement's details to their anti-Islamic State coalition partners, so that they, too, follow the rules it sets.
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Ampak to še ni vse, zakaj se rusi počutijo izdane. Menda je eden vsebina tega dokumenta tudi, da se za lažjo identifikacijo letal v zračnem prostoru Sirije, nad Sirijo ne uporablja elektronskih protiukrepov, kar pomeni da so po sprejetju tega sporazuma rusi leteli 'nagi' in brez zaščite, ker so vse to izključili, kot del sporazuma.
Turki so pa to izkoristili za lahek strel na tarčo, ki je imela izključene vse elektronske protiukrepe.

Po tem incidentu se bo, vsekakor, to spremenilo.

Npr, rusi niso odreagirali na izraelske zraæne napade na Hezbolah v Damasku, ki so se zgodili po sprejetju tega sporazuma, niso odreagirali na turške zračne napade na Kurde na ozemlju Sirije, kljub kršenju sirijskega zračnega prostora s strani drugih držav.

To se bo zdaj vsekakor zdaj spremenilo. Zdaj ne morejo več zaupati nobenemu zračnemu plovilu na prostoru Sirije, ker bo identifikacija nemogoča.
Zdaj bodo morali Rusi vse bombnike na mejnih področjih spremljati s podporo lovcev in s protizračno obrambo bodo morali zapreti zračni prostor Sirije, kjer oni operirajo.
 
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če res pride do tega, v kar močno dvomim, imamo na tem področju prvi čelni spopad nata z medvedom. pametno izbrana lokacija, žrtvovani kmetje in istočasno dobro preverjanje. če, drugi če, rusi v tem primeru pogrnejo, ne uspejo z namero, potem sledi hitro odvijanje klobčiča v ukrajini, krimu in separatističnih republikah kakor tudi približevanje nata na samo mejo rusije.

da bi rusi uspeli v tvoji nameri je potrebno veliko denarja, orožja, disciplin ali pod črto, vojno stanje oz prikrita vojna napoved. posledice bomo čutili vsi.
 
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