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Še vedno ne štekaš...govorim o ekonomskem (ne)uspehu juge, pustimo sedaj nacionalistične fore...
A to veš, da so američani po vojni pošiljali pakete hrane in še česa sestradanim jugoslovanskim množicam??? Do nedavna smo imeli nekje še ameriško vojaško žlico z U.S. vtisnjenim na ročaju, iz te pomoči, UNRAA se je imenoval projekt torej formalno v okviru Združenih narodov...da o financiranju yuge ne bi...
Da je nekdo uspesen ali ne mora prvo preziveti? Stekas? Ce nisi zivi ponavadi tudi uspesen nisi? Stekas?
DA je Nemcija prezivela je potrebovala ohoho dinarckov in hrane. Od oh in sploh osovrazenih nasprotnikov. V mnogih primerih od osovrazenih Zidov
Da primerjas primerjas ameriski airlift do Nemcije ,ki se danes velja za enega vecjih podvigov v ameriski zgodovini z pomocjo moras biti pa res brihten
Kljub orjaški pomoči, od hrane, do gradbenega materiala in vozil (nekje 150 lokomotiv so potatali), nesposobnim jugoslovanskim komunistom kar ni in ni šlo...
''SAMO ZA DECENIJU I PO, OD 1949. DO 1964. GODINE, SAD I DRUGE ZEMLJE S ONE STRANE „GVOZDENE ZAVESE“ DODELILE SU JUGOSLAVIJI BESPOVRATNIH 30 MILIJARDI DOLARA!''
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''SAMO ZA DECENIJU I PO, OD 1949. DO 1964. GODINE, SAD I DRUGE ZEMLJE S ONE STRANE „GVOZDENE ZAVESE“ DODELILE SU JUGOSLAVIJI BESPOVRATNIH 30 MILIJARDI DOLARA!''
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najbolj tragicno pri zadevi da ti niti priblizno ne podvomis v taksne bedarije... Ce vidis cifro 30miljard ti vsaj za sekundo kapne da je stevilka za tisti cas malce "prevelika"?
FYI, Marshallow plan ,ki je vkljuceval celo zahodno Evropo od 1949 do 1952 je stal 13 miljard. Pa se to ni bilo vse "gratis".
The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was the American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II in order to prevent the spread of Soviet Communism.[1] The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948.[2] The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, and make Europe prosperous again.[3] The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale rescue program.[4]
YU sama je pa kr dobila 30miljard gratis....
Kdo je bil direktor bank? Kdo je bil takarat guverner? Sicer pa se je vse začelo pod drnovškom, aja tvoji pa vsako leto vržejo vsaj 8 miljard.
jla je bila zločinska organizacija.
jla je bila zločinska organizacija.
'Interpolirana' na današnji čas ane, očitno za lažjo predstavo...30 milijard verjetno tedaj ni bila vredna cela juga...s tem, da nimaš podatka kolko je dobila juga do leta 1964...
wikipedia pravi tole: ''During the four years that the plan was operational, US donated $13 billion in economic and technical assistance to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. In 2013, the equivalent sum reflecting currency inflation since 1948 totalled roughly $148 billion.'' Torej?
wikipedia pravi tole: ''During the four years that the plan was operational, US donated $13 billion in economic and technical assistance to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. In 2013, the equivalent sum reflecting currency inflation since 1948 totalled roughly $148 billion.'' Torej?
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Preberi Lipuščkovo knjigo Sacro egoismo. Lahko boš prebral, da je SFRJ dobila od grdih ameriških imperialistov 25mrdUSD - nepovratno; več kot cela Afrika v enakem obdobju. In ne, ta denar nima zveze z Marshalovim planom...Citat:
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YU sama je pa kr dobila 30miljard gratis....
Marshallov plan je bil najvecji, najbolj obsen, najdrazji in bla bla bla bla plan za obnovo porusene Evrope. Seveda je mozno in verjetno da je obstajalo se N drugih nacrtov ampak so bili ti precej precej precej manjsi. Si ti sploh predstavljas koliko je bilo to denarja v povojnih casih? 1 miljarda... ne 3 ali 30?
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Preberi Lipuščkovo knjigo Sacro egoismo. Lahko boš prebral, da je SFRJ dobila od grdih ameriških imperialistov 25mrdUSD - nepovratno; več kot cela Afrika v enakem obdobju. In ne, ta denar nima zveze z Marshalovim planom...Citat:
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YU sama je pa kr dobila 30miljard gratis....
V startu smo bili na 30.... potem smo bili na intepoliranih 30... potem na 25....... no ja.... vsaj biljarde niso.
Btw, vsaj 10x sem na tej tabli napisal kako uspesno je Jugoslavija vlekla denar od vseh. Za dobro drzavljanov ampak tole nakladanje o tem kako so padale 30....3.......25 miljard na lepe oci je pa
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Bos se malce globje zabredel v d....? Prav nic ni interpolirana ampak je izmisljena
30miljard je 3miljarde v tistem casu... za primerjavo, totalno poruseni zahodni del Nemcije je dobil manj kot pol te cifre (1.45miljardo)
30 miljard... intepoliranih ja
No, če smo že pri dreku, pokazal sem ti, da je 13 milijard iz maršalovega plana danes vrednih 148 milijard. Tako da je po sem realno, da je juga dobila 30 milijard (po današnji vrednosti) pomoči do leta 1964 in ja, maršalov plan, ki si ga omenil, je lahko dobra orientacija...
samo ne mešaj različnih pomoči med seboj, yuga iz maršalovega načrta ni dobivala denarja, je dobivala denar od amerike iz drugih naslovov
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Bos se malce globje zabredel v d....? Prav nic ni interpolirana ampak je izmisljena
30miljard je 3miljarde v tistem casu... za primerjavo, totalno poruseni zahodni del Nemcije je dobil manj kot pol te cifre (1.45miljardo)
30 miljard... intepoliranih ja
No, če smo že pri dreku, pokazal sem ti, da je 13 milijard iz maršalovega plana danes vrednih 148 milijard. Tako da je po sem realno, da je juga dobila 30 milijard (po današnji vrednosti) pomoči do leta 1964 in ja, maršalov plan, ki si ga omenil, je lahko dobra orientacija...
samo ne mešaj različnih pomoči med seboj, yuga iz maršalovega načrta ni dobivala denarja, je dobivala denar od amerike iz drugih naslovov
Kaj ima veze kolikor je danes 13 miljard? Ti nisem ze jaz napisal koliko bi bilo takrat danasnjih 30 miljard? Jugoslavija tega denarja ni dobila. Niti priblizno, niti v sanjah. 30 ali 3..... V bistvu niti blizu tega. Samo za obcutek si preberi tekst da ves kdaj lahko uporabis besedo miljarda. V tekstu ni samo Marshallow plan in bos zagotovo (upam) ugotovil kako globoko si zabredel v drek.
World War II
Levels of United States aid increased greatly during World War Two, mainly on account of the Lend-lease program. United States government aid remained high in the decade after the war because of contributions to European reconstruction, and competition for influence versus the Communist powers in the first years of the Cold War. By 1960, the annual aid amount had receded to about half of what it was in the early post-war years, and, in inflation-adjusted terms, it has remained at that level—with some fluctuations—until the present.[9]
The Lend-lease program, which began in 1941 (before the U.S. entrance in the war) was an arrangement whereby the United States sent large amounts of war materials and other supplies to nations whose defense was considered vital to the defense of the United States. It began with the passage by Congress of the Lend-lease act (PL 77-11) on 11 March 1941.[10] Initially, the main recipient was Great Britain; the Soviet Union began receiving supplies (paid for in gold) in June 1941 outside of Lend-lease, and was included in the Lend-lease agreement in November 1941. By the end of the war, most of the Allied countries had been declared eligible for Lend-lease aid, although not all received it. By the time the program was ended by President Truman in August 1945, more than $50 billion worth of supplies had been disbursed, of which the Commonwealth countries received $31 billion (od tukaj izhaja tvoja nebuloza) and the Soviet Union $11 billion. Although formally the material was loaned, in the end only partial repayment was demanded.
A second wartime aid program, the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA), was founded in November 1943, by 44 Allied governments, for the purpose of assisting and resettling displaced victims of the war.[11] Its initial focus was on assisting people in areas the Allies had captured from the Axis powers: distributing food, clothing and other essentials, and helping with medical care and sanitation. Later it also assisted in the resumption of agriculture and industry. Each of the 44 signatories was supposed to contribute one percent of its national income.[12] T he chief beneficiaries were China, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Italy, Poland, the Ukrainian SSR and Yugoslavia. UNRRA returned about 7 million displaced people to their countries of origin and provided refugee camps for about one million who were unwilling to be repatriated. UNRRA ceased operations in Europe in mid-1947;[13] some of its activities in Asia continued under other auspices until early 1949. In the end 52 countries had contributed as donors. Contributions from governments and private organizations during the four years of the program totaled over $3.8 billion; more than half of that was from the United States.
Cold War
After the war, the United States began giving large amounts of aid to Greece and Turkey under the Truman doctrine. Both countries were experiencing civil strife between communist and anti-communist factions, and the President and his advisors feared that their efforts to keep European countries from adopting communism might be about to suffer a serious setback. In December 1946, the Prime Minister of Greece visited Washington and requested additional United States aid. Truman promulgated his containment doctrine in early 1947, a major component of which was to be aid to the world's poor countries in order to blunt the appeals of radicalism to their hungry peoples and to bolster their anti-communist political elements. In May 1947 the U.S. government granted Greece $300 million in military and economic aid. Turkey received $100 million and the battleship Missouri and the aircraft carrier Franklin D. Roosevelt were deployed there. The U.S. government gave Greece $362 million in 1949, and U.S. aid to Greece generally remained over $100 million annually until 1998.[14] The aid was at times controversial, since it supported authoritarian governments in Greece from the 1940s to early 1960s, as well as the 1967–1974 military junta. Aid to Turkey was $117 million in 1949, $259 million in 1952, and remained in the hundreds of millions annually until 1998.[15]
The most well-known, and largest, United States aid program in the immediate post-war years was the European Recovery Program (ERP). More often known as the Marshall Plan , it was the creation of George Kennan, William Clayton, and others at the U.S. State Department under Secretary of State George Marshall. Publicly suggested by Marshall in June 1947, and put into action about a year later, the Plan was essentially an extension of the Greece–Turkey aid strategy to the rest of Europe. The U.S. administration considered the stability of the existing governments in Western Europe vital to its own interests. On 3 April 1948, President Truman signed the Economic Cooperation Act, establishing the Economic Cooperation Administration (ECA) to administer the program, and actual disbursements got underway. The focus was on promoting production, stabilizing currencies, and promoting international trade. To be eligible for the aid, a country had to sign an agreement with the United States government committing itself to the Act's purposes. The Communist countries were formally invited to participate in the Plan although Secretary Marshall thought it unlikely that they would accept and they did in fact decline the aid. Also in 1948, the United States and the recipient countries created the Organisation for European Economic Cooperation (OEEC – it became the OECD in 1961) to coordinate the use of the aid. A large portion of the money given was used to purchase goods from the United States, and the ships used to transport the goods had to be of U.S. nationality. Until after the Korean War, military aid was not part of the plan.[16] The Marshall Plan ended in December 1951 and its functions were transferred to the Mutual Security Administration.[17] The United States government gave out about $12.5 billion under the Plan during its three-and-a-half year existence. The countries receiving the most were Great Britain ($3.3 billion), France ($2.3 billion) and West Germany ($1.4 billion).[18]
Under title IV of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1948, South Korea and the Guomindang regime in China were given aid in a similar manner to the Marshall Plan. Japan was also given aid.
Torej.... imas vsaj priblizno predstavo koliko je bila miljarda takrat, kdo je lahko dobil in kako? Btw, cel tekst je o takratnih miljardah.
Se ti ne zdi cudno da je recimo Grcija prejemala 100 letno od (1949 do 1998), Turcija 117 od 1949 do 1998........ Jugoslavija pa tvoji verziji treh letih? dobila reci in pisi.....3 miljarde! Al pa celo 25miljard! Mislim 30!
Ce njihovo pomoc malce sestejemo (50let x100mio letno) je cca 5miljard "takratnih".
GR je v povojnem casu dobila 5miljard takratnih (cca)
Turcija je v povojnem casu dobila 5 miljard takratnih (cca)
Jugoslavija je v povojnem casu dobila oh in sploh fantasticne 3 miljarde!
Bos se malce razmislil o "interpoliranih"?
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