Premier League 2009-2010
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Uporabnik MViper pravi:
Ne no, City je bolj trendish.. al pa vsaj Real..
hja real je že trendiš, samo dejansko je real top of the pops že vrsto let
(samo da barco odlomijo pa se mi že smeje
je pa real tudi zame klub, ki mi je že najdlje pri srcu pol je pač Čel$ky
Končni Rezultati tekem 9. kola:
Sobota, 17. oktober 2009
Aston Villa : Chelsea 2-1
Arsenal : Birmingham City 3-1
Everton : Wolverhampton Wanderers 1-1
Manchester United : Bolton Wanderers 2-1
Portsmouth : Tottenham Hotspur 1-2
Stoke City : West Ham United 2-1
Sunderland : Liverpool 1-0
Nedelja, 18. oktober 2009
Blackburn Rovers : Burnley 3-2
Wigan Athletic : Manchester City 1-1
Ponedeljek, 19. oktober 2009
Fulham : Hull City 2-0
Lestvica:
1. Man Utd 22
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2. Chelsea 21
3. Tottenham 19
4. Arsenal 18 (-1)*
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5. Man City 17 (-1)*
6. Aston Villa 16 (-1)*
7. Sunderland 16
8. Liverpool 15
9. Stoke City 12
10. Burnley 12
11. Everton 11 (-1)*
12. Fulham 10 (-1)*
13. Blackburn 10 (-1)*
14. Wigan Athletic 10
15. Bolton 8 (-1)*
16. Wolves 8
17. Birmingham 7
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18. Hull City 7
19. West Ham Utd 5 (-1)*
20. Portsmouth 3
* število tekem manj
Sobota, 17. oktober 2009
Aston Villa : Chelsea 2-1
Arsenal : Birmingham City 3-1
Everton : Wolverhampton Wanderers 1-1
Manchester United : Bolton Wanderers 2-1
Portsmouth : Tottenham Hotspur 1-2
Stoke City : West Ham United 2-1
Sunderland : Liverpool 1-0
Nedelja, 18. oktober 2009
Blackburn Rovers : Burnley 3-2
Wigan Athletic : Manchester City 1-1
Ponedeljek, 19. oktober 2009
Fulham : Hull City 2-0
Lestvica:
1. Man Utd 22
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2. Chelsea 21
3. Tottenham 19
4. Arsenal 18 (-1)*
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5. Man City 17 (-1)*
6. Aston Villa 16 (-1)*
7. Sunderland 16
8. Liverpool 15
9. Stoke City 12
10. Burnley 12
11. Everton 11 (-1)*
12. Fulham 10 (-1)*
13. Blackburn 10 (-1)*
14. Wigan Athletic 10
15. Bolton 8 (-1)*
16. Wolves 8
17. Birmingham 7
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18. Hull City 7
19. West Ham Utd 5 (-1)*
20. Portsmouth 3
* število tekem manj
Nazadnje urejeno:
V poolu že 20 let čakajo naslov prvaka anglije, niti z evropskimi uspehi se nekaterih več ne da peljati žejne čez vodo. Je pa res da Rafa ni vsega kriv, iz ekipe ki jo ima je potegnil (skoraj) maksimum. Zadnji porazi so pa že itak na začetku sezone dali vedeti da jih ne čaka nič kaj drugačna sezona od prejšnjih.
Nazadnje urejeno:
Jah, treba je razumet, da vsak manager potrebuje svoj cas, da uigra ekipo, da ima na voljo igralce, katerim zaupa in verjame v njih. Pri Liverpoolu je to malce tezje, ker sta lastnika bedaka, ki isceta izkljucno samo profit od kluba. In potem Rafa podpise igralce, kakrsne podpise, v vecini so OK, ampak se vedno ne to, kar hoce imet, ker lastnika ne colata dovolj za nakupe ali se vmesavata v nakupe. Recimo Rafa nikoli ni hotel imeti Keana, podpisan je bil skorajda Simao, pa se je vmesal (p)Rick Parry, skenslal pogodbo z Simaom in podpisal Keana.
Da sta za hrbtom jenkija tudi ze skoraj najavila Klinsmanna tudi ni ravno dobro delo nobenemu. Klub pa je v 5 letih zapravil v primerjavi z ostalimi top klubi samo nekje 100 mio eurov. Se pravi v povprecu nekje 20 mio na leto. Kar je za klub take velikosti pravzaprav drobiz. Pa ajde, ce bi se podpisalo tisto, kar bi se hotelo bi se bilo nekako.
Za nekaj pokalov vec je pa tudi malo srece vcasih sfalilo.. Samo ne mores sedaj skenslat Rafe v teh tezkih casih. Ce bojo menjal managerja bo Lpool izven top4 na koncu sezone.
Da sta za hrbtom jenkija tudi ze skoraj najavila Klinsmanna tudi ni ravno dobro delo nobenemu. Klub pa je v 5 letih zapravil v primerjavi z ostalimi top klubi samo nekje 100 mio eurov. Se pravi v povprecu nekje 20 mio na leto. Kar je za klub take velikosti pravzaprav drobiz. Pa ajde, ce bi se podpisalo tisto, kar bi se hotelo bi se bilo nekako.
Za nekaj pokalov vec je pa tudi malo srece vcasih sfalilo.. Samo ne mores sedaj skenslat Rafe v teh tezkih casih. Ce bojo menjal managerja bo Lpool izven top4 na koncu sezone.
Pool bo tudi z Rafo imel težave priti med top4, Shitty bi ga znal prehiteti na koncu, ima kvaliteto na igrišču in tudi na klopi, poleg standardnih 3. Je pa tudi podpisoval Degene in podobne loleke, ki nimajo v takih klubih kaj iskati. Je mislil da se mu bo kar vsak vsral kot Benayoun
Imas kaksne stevilke tocno je zapravil L'pool napram ManU-ju? Predvsem me zanima razmerje nabava/prodaja igralcev...
Kje je Benitez nazadnje kaj jokal? Tebi bi bilo kul, da hoces imeti Davida Silvo, pripeljejo ti pa Riero? Hoces imeti Simaa pa ti pripeljejo Keana, hoce imeti Villo pa ti ne dajejo kesa od transfera Alonsa? Fergie bi ze explodiral, ce bi bil v Benitezovi kozi..
Viper_XxL: Voronin, Degen, Zenden ipd so bili prosti igralci in niso stali niti centa. Ce nimas recimo "hecnih" 15-20 mio da zapravis za squad playerja, kot ima Chelsea [Kalou, Mikel, Malouda..], ali ManUtd [lani Nani, letos Anderson...] isces pac free playerje.. Da niti ne omenjam Cityja..
Sem pa 99,9%, da se bo pocasi Liverpoolu sreca obrnila in da bo zalaufalo... samo da igralci pridejo v kolikor toliko formo..
Kje je Benitez nazadnje kaj jokal? Tebi bi bilo kul, da hoces imeti Davida Silvo, pripeljejo ti pa Riero? Hoces imeti Simaa pa ti pripeljejo Keana, hoce imeti Villo pa ti ne dajejo kesa od transfera Alonsa? Fergie bi ze explodiral, ce bi bil v Benitezovi kozi..
Viper_XxL: Voronin, Degen, Zenden ipd so bili prosti igralci in niso stali niti centa. Ce nimas recimo "hecnih" 15-20 mio da zapravis za squad playerja, kot ima Chelsea [Kalou, Mikel, Malouda..], ali ManUtd [lani Nani, letos Anderson...] isces pac free playerje.. Da niti ne omenjam Cityja..
Sem pa 99,9%, da se bo pocasi Liverpoolu sreca obrnila in da bo zalaufalo... samo da igralci pridejo v kolikor toliko formo..
Nazadnje urejeno:
goal je kredibilen kot slovenske novice..
Evo ti iz uradne strani:
In:
Josemi Rey - Malaga, £2,000,000, 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez - Real Madrid, £1,500,000, 17.08.2004
Xabi Alonso - Real Sociedad, £10,700,000, 20.08.2004
Luis Garcia - Barcelona, £6,000,000, 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino - Valencia, Free, 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes - Real Madrid, £6,300,000, 13.01.2005
Scott Carson - Leeds United, £1,000,000, 21.01.2005
Antonio Barragan - Sevilla, £240,000, 04.07.2005
Boudewijn Zenden - Free Transfer, 04.07.2005
Jose Reina - Villareal, £6,000,000, 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko - Valencia, £5,600,000, 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch - Southampton, £7,000,000, 20.07.2005
Miki Roque - Lleida, Unknown, 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs - Lincoln City, £150,000, 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj - LASK Linz, £190,000, 22.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez - Albacete, £1,500,000, 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson - Hull City, Player Exchange, 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp - Villareal, Player Exchange, 04.01.2006
Daniel Agger - Brøndby, £5,800,000, 12.01.2006
David Martin - MK Dons, £250,000, 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler - Man City, Free, 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy - Blackburn, £6,000,000, 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta - Club Atlético Banfield, £2,000,000, 04.07.2006
Fábio Aurélio - Valencia, Free, 05.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant - Birmingham, £6,700,000, 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt - Feyenoord, £9,000,000, 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar - St Etienne, £200,000, 21.08.2006
Daniele Padelli - Sampdoria, On Loan, 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer - Ajax, Undisclosed, 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán - Malaga, £66,000, 30.01.2007
Álvaro Arbeloa - Deportivo, £2,500,000, 31.01.2007
Javier Mascherano - West Ham, On Loan, 20.02.2007
Lucas Leiva - Gremio, £5,000,000, 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh - MTK Hungaria, Undisclosed, 25.05.2007
Mikel San José Domínguez - Athletic Bilbao, £270,000, 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto - Club Atlético Lanús, £1,800,000, 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres - Atletico Madrid, £20,200,000, 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin - Leverkusen, Free, 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun - West Ham, £5,000,000, 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel - Ajax, £11,500,000, 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje - Lens, Undisclosed, 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa - Boca Juniors, £1,300,000, 26.08.2007
Martin Skrtel - Zenit St Petersburg, £6,500,000, 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano - Media Sports Investment, £18,600,000, 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen - Dortmund, Free, 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena - Udinese, £7,000,000, 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri - Palmeiras, £3,500,000, 11.07.2008
David N'gog - Paris St Germain, £1,500,000, 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane - Tottenham, £19,000,000, 28.07.2008
Albert Riera - Espanyol, £8,000,000, 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson - Portsmouth, £17,500,000, 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani - AS Roma, £17,100,000, 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - AEK Athens, £2,000,000, 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala - Sevilla, Undisclosed, Sep 2009
Kupljeno 54 igralcev za £228,066,000
Out:
Markus Babbel - VfB Stuttgart, Free, 16.07.2004
Danny Murphy - Charlton, £2,500,000, 10.08.2004
Michael Owen - Real Madrid, £8,500,000, 14.08.2004
Stephane Henchoz - Celtic, Free, 28.01.2005
Vladimir Smicer - Bordeaux, Free, 13.06.2005
El Hadji Diouf - Bolton, £3,500,000, 15.06.2005
Mauricio Pellegrino - Alaves, Free, 17.06.2005
Alou Diarra - Lens, £2,000,000, 23.06.2005
Mark Smyth - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Paul Harrison - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Richie Partridge - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Patrice Luzi - Unknown, Free,01.07.2005
Gregory Vignal - Portsmouth, Free, 01.07.2005
Igor Biscan - Panathinaikos, Free, 01.07.2005
Jon Otsemobor - Rotherham United, Free, 01.07.2005
Antonio Nunez - Celta Vigo, £2,000,000, 29.07.2005
Milan Baros - Aston Villa, £6,500,000, 23.08.2005
John Welsh - Hull City, Player Exchange, 01.01.2006
Josemi Rey - Villareal, Player Exchange, 02.01.2006
Zak Whitbread - Millwall, £200,000, 13.06.2006
Bruno Cheyrou - Rennes, Undisclosed, 29.06.2006
Robbie Foy - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2006
David Raven - Carlisle, Free, 03.07.2006
Fernando Morientes - Valencia, £3,000,000, 05.07.2006
Dietmar Hamann - Bolton, Free, 11.07.2006
Antonio Barragan - Deportivo, £675,000, 03.08.2006
Djimi Traore - Charlton, £2,000,000, 09.08.2006
Carl Medjani - Lorient, Free, 12.08.2006
Neil Mellor - Preston, £500,000, 30.08.2006
Jan Kromkamp - PSV Eindhoven, £1,750,000, 31.08.2006
Chris Kirkland - Wigan Ath., £3,500,000, 27.10.2006
Darren Potter - Wolves, £250,000, 18.01.2007
Stephen Warnock - Blackburn, £1,500,000, 22.01.2007
Salif Diao - Stoke, Free, 25.01.2007
Florent S.-Pongolle - Recreativo de Huelva, £2,700,000, 04.05.2007
Daniele Padelli - Sampdoria, Returns from loan, 08.06.2007
Danny O' Donnell - Crewe, £100,000, 13.06.2007
Jerzy Dudek - Real Madrid, Free, 01.07.2007
Boudewijn Zenden - Marseille, Free, 01.07.2007
Robbie Fowler - Cardiff, Free, 01.07.2007
Luis Garcia - Atletico Madrid, £4,000,000, 03.07.2007
Djibril Cissé - Marseille, £6,000,000, 09.07.2007
Craig Bellamy - West Ham, £7,500,000, 10.07.2007
Mark Gonzalez - Real Betis, £3,500,000, 17.07.2007
Gabriel Paletta - Boca Juniors, £1,200,000, 26.08.2007
James Smith - Stockport Cou., Free, 28.12.2007
Mohamed Sissoko - Juventus, £8,200,000, 28.01.2008
Lee Peltier - Yeovil, Free, 31.01.2008
John Arne Riise - AS Roma, £4,000,000, 01.07.2008
Harry Kewell - Free Transfer, Free, 01.07.2008
Anthony Le Tallec - Le Mans, Undisclosed, 02.07.2008
Peter Crouch - Portsmouth, £11,000,000, 11.07.2008
Danny Guthrie - Newcastle, £2,250,000, 14.07.2008
Scott Carson - WBA, £3,250,000, 18.07.2008
Steve Finnan - Espanyol, Undisclosed, 31.08.2008
Robbie Keane - Tottenham, £16,000,000, 02.02.2009
Jack Hobbs - Leicester, Undisclosed, 24.04.2009
Paul Anderson - Nottm For., £250,000, 30.06.2009
Jermaine Pennant - Real Zaragoza, Free, 01.07.2009
Miki Roque - Unknown, Free ,01.07.2009
Sebastian Leto - Panathinaikos, £3,000,000, 01.07.2009
Álvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid, £3,500,000, 30.07.2009
Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid, £30,000,000, 05.08.2009
Prodano 63 igralcev za £144,825,000
Torej nekje 84 mio funtov v roku 5. let. Torej nekje slabih 17 mio funtov na sezono. Nek Chelsea je pa recimo v 1 sezoni zapravil cez 200mio.. Ali pa City.. al pa Real.. Barca tudi ni dalec..
Evo ti iz uradne strani:
In:
Josemi Rey - Malaga, £2,000,000, 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez - Real Madrid, £1,500,000, 17.08.2004
Xabi Alonso - Real Sociedad, £10,700,000, 20.08.2004
Luis Garcia - Barcelona, £6,000,000, 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino - Valencia, Free, 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes - Real Madrid, £6,300,000, 13.01.2005
Scott Carson - Leeds United, £1,000,000, 21.01.2005
Antonio Barragan - Sevilla, £240,000, 04.07.2005
Boudewijn Zenden - Free Transfer, 04.07.2005
Jose Reina - Villareal, £6,000,000, 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko - Valencia, £5,600,000, 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch - Southampton, £7,000,000, 20.07.2005
Miki Roque - Lleida, Unknown, 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs - Lincoln City, £150,000, 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj - LASK Linz, £190,000, 22.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez - Albacete, £1,500,000, 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson - Hull City, Player Exchange, 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp - Villareal, Player Exchange, 04.01.2006
Daniel Agger - Brøndby, £5,800,000, 12.01.2006
David Martin - MK Dons, £250,000, 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler - Man City, Free, 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy - Blackburn, £6,000,000, 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta - Club Atlético Banfield, £2,000,000, 04.07.2006
Fábio Aurélio - Valencia, Free, 05.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant - Birmingham, £6,700,000, 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt - Feyenoord, £9,000,000, 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar - St Etienne, £200,000, 21.08.2006
Daniele Padelli - Sampdoria, On Loan, 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer - Ajax, Undisclosed, 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán - Malaga, £66,000, 30.01.2007
Álvaro Arbeloa - Deportivo, £2,500,000, 31.01.2007
Javier Mascherano - West Ham, On Loan, 20.02.2007
Lucas Leiva - Gremio, £5,000,000, 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh - MTK Hungaria, Undisclosed, 25.05.2007
Mikel San José Domínguez - Athletic Bilbao, £270,000, 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto - Club Atlético Lanús, £1,800,000, 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres - Atletico Madrid, £20,200,000, 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin - Leverkusen, Free, 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun - West Ham, £5,000,000, 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel - Ajax, £11,500,000, 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje - Lens, Undisclosed, 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa - Boca Juniors, £1,300,000, 26.08.2007
Martin Skrtel - Zenit St Petersburg, £6,500,000, 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano - Media Sports Investment, £18,600,000, 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen - Dortmund, Free, 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena - Udinese, £7,000,000, 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri - Palmeiras, £3,500,000, 11.07.2008
David N'gog - Paris St Germain, £1,500,000, 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane - Tottenham, £19,000,000, 28.07.2008
Albert Riera - Espanyol, £8,000,000, 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson - Portsmouth, £17,500,000, 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani - AS Roma, £17,100,000, 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - AEK Athens, £2,000,000, 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala - Sevilla, Undisclosed, Sep 2009
Kupljeno 54 igralcev za £228,066,000
Out:
Markus Babbel - VfB Stuttgart, Free, 16.07.2004
Danny Murphy - Charlton, £2,500,000, 10.08.2004
Michael Owen - Real Madrid, £8,500,000, 14.08.2004
Stephane Henchoz - Celtic, Free, 28.01.2005
Vladimir Smicer - Bordeaux, Free, 13.06.2005
El Hadji Diouf - Bolton, £3,500,000, 15.06.2005
Mauricio Pellegrino - Alaves, Free, 17.06.2005
Alou Diarra - Lens, £2,000,000, 23.06.2005
Mark Smyth - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Paul Harrison - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Richie Partridge - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2005
Patrice Luzi - Unknown, Free,01.07.2005
Gregory Vignal - Portsmouth, Free, 01.07.2005
Igor Biscan - Panathinaikos, Free, 01.07.2005
Jon Otsemobor - Rotherham United, Free, 01.07.2005
Antonio Nunez - Celta Vigo, £2,000,000, 29.07.2005
Milan Baros - Aston Villa, £6,500,000, 23.08.2005
John Welsh - Hull City, Player Exchange, 01.01.2006
Josemi Rey - Villareal, Player Exchange, 02.01.2006
Zak Whitbread - Millwall, £200,000, 13.06.2006
Bruno Cheyrou - Rennes, Undisclosed, 29.06.2006
Robbie Foy - Unknown, Free, 01.07.2006
David Raven - Carlisle, Free, 03.07.2006
Fernando Morientes - Valencia, £3,000,000, 05.07.2006
Dietmar Hamann - Bolton, Free, 11.07.2006
Antonio Barragan - Deportivo, £675,000, 03.08.2006
Djimi Traore - Charlton, £2,000,000, 09.08.2006
Carl Medjani - Lorient, Free, 12.08.2006
Neil Mellor - Preston, £500,000, 30.08.2006
Jan Kromkamp - PSV Eindhoven, £1,750,000, 31.08.2006
Chris Kirkland - Wigan Ath., £3,500,000, 27.10.2006
Darren Potter - Wolves, £250,000, 18.01.2007
Stephen Warnock - Blackburn, £1,500,000, 22.01.2007
Salif Diao - Stoke, Free, 25.01.2007
Florent S.-Pongolle - Recreativo de Huelva, £2,700,000, 04.05.2007
Daniele Padelli - Sampdoria, Returns from loan, 08.06.2007
Danny O' Donnell - Crewe, £100,000, 13.06.2007
Jerzy Dudek - Real Madrid, Free, 01.07.2007
Boudewijn Zenden - Marseille, Free, 01.07.2007
Robbie Fowler - Cardiff, Free, 01.07.2007
Luis Garcia - Atletico Madrid, £4,000,000, 03.07.2007
Djibril Cissé - Marseille, £6,000,000, 09.07.2007
Craig Bellamy - West Ham, £7,500,000, 10.07.2007
Mark Gonzalez - Real Betis, £3,500,000, 17.07.2007
Gabriel Paletta - Boca Juniors, £1,200,000, 26.08.2007
James Smith - Stockport Cou., Free, 28.12.2007
Mohamed Sissoko - Juventus, £8,200,000, 28.01.2008
Lee Peltier - Yeovil, Free, 31.01.2008
John Arne Riise - AS Roma, £4,000,000, 01.07.2008
Harry Kewell - Free Transfer, Free, 01.07.2008
Anthony Le Tallec - Le Mans, Undisclosed, 02.07.2008
Peter Crouch - Portsmouth, £11,000,000, 11.07.2008
Danny Guthrie - Newcastle, £2,250,000, 14.07.2008
Scott Carson - WBA, £3,250,000, 18.07.2008
Steve Finnan - Espanyol, Undisclosed, 31.08.2008
Robbie Keane - Tottenham, £16,000,000, 02.02.2009
Jack Hobbs - Leicester, Undisclosed, 24.04.2009
Paul Anderson - Nottm For., £250,000, 30.06.2009
Jermaine Pennant - Real Zaragoza, Free, 01.07.2009
Miki Roque - Unknown, Free ,01.07.2009
Sebastian Leto - Panathinaikos, £3,000,000, 01.07.2009
Álvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid, £3,500,000, 30.07.2009
Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid, £30,000,000, 05.08.2009
Prodano 63 igralcev za £144,825,000
Torej nekje 84 mio funtov v roku 5. let. Torej nekje slabih 17 mio funtov na sezono. Nek Chelsea je pa recimo v 1 sezoni zapravil cez 200mio.. Ali pa City.. al pa Real.. Barca tudi ni dalec..