Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu
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As you know, the Debaltsevo pocket situation is resolved. It's not as bad as it could have been in terms of casualties. However, this was a crashing defeat of Poroshenko's generals.
I don't know how many more losses our society can take, but people are very angry. Currency keep plunging every day. Today it takes 30 hryvnias to buy one US dollar. It seems we have default without official announcement of it.
There is a new problem: total media thought control. In Ukraine we used to have free speech, but not any longer. War propaganda is everywhere and if someone doubts official policy, the journalist will be cast out or put in prison.
It is worse now than under Yanukovych. There is an atmosphere of fear everywhere. Today, a new law was passed, and now the president can switch off any TV news channel, any paper.
Total mobilization is underway. Anyone who refuses to join the army will go to jail.
Putin opened the border for Ukrainians who don't want to join the army. Millions of men from Ukraine went to Russia. Not many want to go to war. One defeat after another discourages people.
Many think Debaltsevo was breaking point. Some say separatists will take new areas with less resistance from Ukrainian army. Hard to say. Many think Mariupol, a city of 400,000 people is next. If separatists storm Mariupol it will be a bloody mess world haven't seen for long time.
Ellen
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I don't know how many more losses our society can take, but people are very angry. Currency keep plunging every day. Today it takes 30 hryvnias to buy one US dollar. It seems we have default without official announcement of it.
There is a new problem: total media thought control. In Ukraine we used to have free speech, but not any longer. War propaganda is everywhere and if someone doubts official policy, the journalist will be cast out or put in prison.
It is worse now than under Yanukovych. There is an atmosphere of fear everywhere. Today, a new law was passed, and now the president can switch off any TV news channel, any paper.
Total mobilization is underway. Anyone who refuses to join the army will go to jail.
Putin opened the border for Ukrainians who don't want to join the army. Millions of men from Ukraine went to Russia. Not many want to go to war. One defeat after another discourages people.
Many think Debaltsevo was breaking point. Some say separatists will take new areas with less resistance from Ukrainian army. Hard to say. Many think Mariupol, a city of 400,000 people is next. If separatists storm Mariupol it will be a bloody mess world haven't seen for long time.
Ellen
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...-overthrow.html
The Kremlin received advice to break up Ukraine and absorb its pro-Russian regions even before the country’s president fled in the wake of street protests a year ago, according to an alleged strategy document obtained by a Russian newspaper.
Novaya Gazeta said the “plan” for annexing Crimea was passed to Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration between February 4 and 12, 2014, at least 10 days before Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s then leader, left the capital, Kiev.
The Kremlin received advice to break up Ukraine and absorb its pro-Russian regions even before the country’s president fled in the wake of street protests a year ago, according to an alleged strategy document obtained by a Russian newspaper.
Novaya Gazeta said the “plan” for annexing Crimea was passed to Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration between February 4 and 12, 2014, at least 10 days before Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s then leader, left the capital, Kiev.
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Izbrisan uporabnik #488
K sreči imajo nekateri malo več v glavi od tebe in se hočejo na vsak način izogniti pravemu spopadu.
Rusija pač ni xyz državica na bližnjem vzhodu, katero lahko napadeš brez večjega strahu, saj je edina grožnja EU par samomorilskih cepcev s palico dinamita v riti.
Čeprav bi Rusija na koncu direktni spopad izgubila(vsaj predvidevam, da so toliko pri sebi, da ne bi metali nukic), bi imeli konkretne posledice po kompletni EU. Na zahodu samo ekonomske, v osrednjem in V koncu pa razčefuk.
Dokler bodo Rusi samo malo "na dopustu" v JV Ukrajini in ne bodo rinili dalje, se ne bo kaj dosti drezalo v njih. Vojna je zadnja, res zadnja opcija, če bi Rusi pregazili Ukrajino in šli naprej.
Poglej, to teptanje rusije pomeni resno kršitev suverenosti evropske države, plus požrli so besedo.
Pomeni da nobena država od zdaj naprej ne more biti mirna, ker se ne more zanest na mednarodno skupnost, da ji bo pomagala in posledično bodo države šle nazaj na služenje vojske, ipd, kar pa pomeni trošenje financ za napačne namene.
Kar se zdaj dogaja v UA je lep dokaz, da lahko veliki playerji počnejo kaj hočejo, enako se lahko rusija loti baltske države in spet ne bo nič, kakšen mir je potem to?
Saj verjamem, da se tebe to kaj dosti ne tiče, ker si pač v srcu evrope in težko da bi se kaj zgodilo tu, ampak miljone, če ne miljarde, ljudi pa lahko zaradi tega dejansko trepeta za prihodnost.
Pomeni da nobena država od zdaj naprej ne more biti mirna, ker se ne more zanest na mednarodno skupnost, da ji bo pomagala in posledično bodo države šle nazaj na služenje vojske, ipd, kar pa pomeni trošenje financ za napačne namene.
Kar se zdaj dogaja v UA je lep dokaz, da lahko veliki playerji počnejo kaj hočejo, enako se lahko rusija loti baltske države in spet ne bo nič, kakšen mir je potem to?
Saj verjamem, da se tebe to kaj dosti ne tiče, ker si pač v srcu evrope in težko da bi se kaj zgodilo tu, ampak miljone, če ne miljarde, ljudi pa lahko zaradi tega dejansko trepeta za prihodnost.
Bližnji vzhod je hujše od wild wild westa, države so že prej bile tiranske.
Čisto nekaj drugega je it se pucat nesnago, ki je že prej to bila, kot pa pucat na pragu evrope, ki je kao "razvita" (čeprav janukovič ni bil, ipd...). Al kdaj je nazadnje USA "napadla" moderno, sodobno, pravično, državo?
Čisto nekaj drugega je it se pucat nesnago, ki je že prej to bila, kot pa pucat na pragu evrope, ki je kao "razvita" (čeprav janukovič ni bil, ipd...). Al kdaj je nazadnje USA "napadla" moderno, sodobno, pravično, državo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcD2Z0_VrA4&feature=youtu.be --- "specialci" desnega sektorja spet v akciji... Tokrat sodnik iz Odese..
Povej mi nekaj, se zdaj počutiš kaj manj ali bolj varnega, kot si se pred UA štalo?
Prej smo nekako verjeli, da nas bodo "veliki" ščitili, zdaj že malo manj...čeprav smo v NATU, ampak dvomim, če bi se recimo rusija spravila na nas (hipotetično) bi se komu dalo pretegnit za žepno državo. Zavoljo miru bi raje prepustili da nas putin pregazi.
Tako se tudi nikomu ne da jebat s ukrajino.
Prej smo nekako verjeli, da nas bodo "veliki" ščitili, zdaj že malo manj...čeprav smo v NATU, ampak dvomim, če bi se recimo rusija spravila na nas (hipotetično) bi se komu dalo pretegnit za žepno državo. Zavoljo miru bi raje prepustili da nas putin pregazi.
Tako se tudi nikomu ne da jebat s ukrajino.
Približno enako, kot prej. V bistvu me bolj skrbi "demokratizacija" bližnjega V, da se kakšen kekec ne pride razstreliti v bljižino.
Smo avtomatsko ščiteni, ker Rusija ne bo šla namensko napadati žepne državice preko kupa drugih močnih držav(pa spreglejmo, da nimajo tukaj nobenih interesov in vzrokov za napad). Ogroženi(mi in kompletna EU) smo le v primeru odkritega spopada z Rusijo, do katerega pa ne bo prišlo.
