Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

dodaske

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Pac-man...kako že pravijo...popucaj najprej pri sebi potem pa....

Nisem videl nobene slike s tvoje strani, ki bi nakazovala prisotnost obveščevalcev, vojakov itd v zahodnih mirovniških organih ala UN in OVSE itd... Verjetno jih ni a ne???? Tako kot tvojega propagandnega "poročanja" na tem forumu ne?

Ja ja....veš vsi ne padamo pred vsakim, ki "osvaja" z izrazi "svoboda", "demokracija", "good guys" v gobcu in figo v žepu.
Sej veš ne ala Radio free Europe....ki je bila direktno financirana od CIE in je indirektno financirana še danes. Kaj je že free tuki? Ipod mogoče....cena je pa?
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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No, meni je dejansko strašno nelogično, kako bi lahko bili vaški kmetje in rudarji tako dobro organizirani in založeni in celo vešči uporabe tako lahkega kot težkega orožja, da so porazili vojsko države, ki ni vatikan, gibraltar, ipd...

Edino razlago vidim v tem, da so imeli pomoč, koga...je pa precej očitno.

Enkrat sem ti že odgovoril...



Evo še enkrat... Je razlika med naborniškim sistemom in profesionalnim sistemom. Razlika je tudi pri hibridnih sistemih ampak v tem primeru pogledamo kaj je bazni sistem...Tako imamo naborniški sistem(baza) in dele profesionalnih enot, ki dopolnujejo tiste dele, kjer naborniki ne dosegajo ustreznih rezultatov ali pa profesinalni sistem(baza), ki ga dopolnjujejo rezervisti prostovolci.

Razlika je dejansko očitna in je hkrati tudi tebi odgovor. V naborniškem sistemu večino vojaških sistemov zasedajo mesta naborniki in so tudi izšolani.(velja tudi, da se tehnika poskuša prilagoditi temu). V profesionalnem sistemu rezervne sestave prostovoljcev zasedajo samo kanon futr enote... Za razmislek vprašanje....Kakšna je razlika med oborožitvijo in šolanjem enot, ki so pod direktno komando vlade in rezervnimi oz. prostovoljnimi enotami v obeh sistemih?

Sej verjetno ni potrebno biti doktor znanosti, da ugotoviš, da v profesionalnem sistemu imaš dejansko ...totalno izšolanega, totalno opranega rambota..napram pomehkuženem Ipod loverju!!!¨!! NAMENOMA!!!

Pa to je cist podobno kot pri motornem olju...
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Mas mineralnega 15w40....to so naborniki

Mas polsintetiko 10w40....osnova je mineralna z dodatki sintetike (profijev)
Razmerje min/sint varira glede naxina pridelave in kvalitete baznih olj
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Pol mas boljse in slabse vrste sintetik...5w40...5w30...0w...itd
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delimo jih na razne grupe
grupa III so hydrocracking frakcije nafte
grupa IV je prava sintetika
grupa V so estri (kot kake spetsnatz enote naprimer)

Pol mas pa se raznorazna olja odvisno od namena....ATF tekocine....menjalniska itd
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A sm najdu dobro primerjavo doktor dodaske?
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Kaj vse znam pa sm FDV sam od zunaj vidu
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dodaske

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v bistvu ti že v napisu piše da si mehanik Yugotov...za kaj več očitno nimaš osnove...


ne ..primerjava bi bila še najbližje med avtomobilom za splošno rabo(recimo nekaj s kasonom) in formulo...pa še to pogojno gospod mehanik....

Druače pa...vem boli....Če bo "boh" dal, bomo lahk videl sprevod "profesionalcev" iz Debalceva ala Academy oz Blackwater in njihovih korporativnih podružnic....
Pričakujmo tudi kakšen film na to temo iz "holimuda".
 

boomslang

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The Russian Ministry of Defence is suing Rheinmetall for breach of contract for failing to deliver lasers to Russia's new live combat simulation complex in Mulino.
The delivery was stopped by the German state.
The legal procedings take place at a swiss court.... Takih stvari bo znalo biti še kar nekaj...
 

Ytbnd

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Mogočna Rusija kupuje pri Nemcih laserje ?
Jih sami ne znajo narediti ?


this:
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Glede na Rusko invazijo in okupacijo dobršnega dela Ukrajine se Zahod MORA odzvati tako, da bo njegova beseda po tem še vedno kaj veljala.

Žal se to do sedaj ni zgodilo. Zamujenih je bilo ogromno odličnih priložnosti. Pravzaprav bi morali Rusijo popolnoma osamiti v trenutku, ko si je priključila Krim. Takoj bi morali nagnati vse Ruske veleposlanike, zamrzniti vse imetje vseh podjetij in posameznikov iz Rusije na dosegu roke, preklicati vse vize, jim odklopiti Swift, začeti pogovore o priznanju Čečenije in Dagestana kot samostojnih držav in jim pomagati, da premagajo rusko okupacijo, začeti temeljito oboroževati Ukrajino in podpisati pogodbo z Ukrajino o namestitvi baz (tudi z jedrskim orožjem) na njenem območju.



Tole je vse skupaj zelo priložnostni konflikt, ki je grdo eskaliral. In ja, brez obilne ruske pomoči bi tistih par t.i. proruskih upornikov bilo že zdavnaj konec. V retrospektivi pa je lekcija iz UKR sledeča - če ti nekdo ponudi par besed "garancije" v zameno za jedrsko razorožitev, se mu lepo nasmehni. Pol pa odgovori z ".j.e.b.i se". V bistvu za one proruske trole - glede na Budapest Memorandum sta med garanti za ozemeljsko celovitost Ukrajine ZDA in Rusija. Tako da je ima podpora ZDA čisto legalno podlago. Rusi pa izpadejo težki prasci, kar Putler tudi je.
 

boomslang

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"Mogočna Rusija kupuje pri Nemcih laserje ?
Jih sami ne znajo narediti ?
"... Še nekdo, ki je streljal medveda in sebe ustrelil v nogo...
 

boomslang

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The French defense minister has named the conditions on which France will consider fulfilling a contract to deliver two Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, which was suspended indefinitely over Russia's support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, the Interfax news agency reported.

"There needs to be a ceasefire that is completely respected in this part of Europe [Ukraine]... Problem je v tem, da kolikor je meni znano morajo biti sankcije požegnane s strani UNa...Tako, da bo to znalo biti še veselo...
 

Ytbnd

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modificirana ruska. Ruska pač ne sme bit a ne :D

Tu se najde:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ba79w8hQw
Donetsk, letališče.

http://bellingcat-vehicles.silk.co/page/1053-Donetsk%3A-tanks-artillery-BTRs

koordinate za yandex street view: 48.0182584, 37.8072302



Ena zadeva glede zadnjih Ukr pow me moti:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqe5lOOQEJs
In ti vojaki naj bi se že 2-3 tedne bojevali na terenu, uniforme imajo kot iz trgovine, nihče z brado, lepo okrogli, čisti kot da gredo k maši.


prej
http://tinyurl.com/npnuoyo

ter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNa8kE4gWw4
še opazi kdo "podobnosti" ?
 

sajkek

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"Its refreshing to see civilised people trying to kill each other and not yelling "Allah akbar" " komentar pod enim od filmckov iz ukrajine.

Svet gre v 3pm
 

darjan

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"Its refreshing to see civilised people trying to kill each other and not yelling "Allah akbar" " komentar pod enim od filmckov iz ukrajine.

Svet gre v 3pm

"civilised people" pa rusija tebi gre skupaj?
 

darjan

Vulkanizer
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Hočeš rečt, da so ti kmetje in rudarji, ki jih putin tako zaničevalno imenuje, hkrati tudi visoko izšolani ramboti?
 
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Hočeš rečt, da so ti kmetje in rudarji, ki jih putin tako zaničevalno imenuje, hkrati tudi visoko izšolani ramboti?

To imajo v krvi
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darjan

Vulkanizer
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Torej je država imela različen sistem šolanja vojske? Vzhod ima "rambo" stil, kjer vsak moški obvlada vojskovanje v nulo, zahod pa taborniški sistem kanon futrstva? In to se je zdelo komu pametno, da so tako naredili, ker zdaj pa imajo.

Tako, kot da bi pri nas drugače šolali vojake v prekmurju, si ne predstavljam takšne bedarije...
 
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http://www.ruskimir.si/galerija/konjeniski-pohod-ruskih-kozakov/

Še enkrat, če veš kdo so Kozaki, potem tile sploh ne rabijo posebnega urjenja, imajo v krvi
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moderno tehnologijo pa tudi hitro razumejo.

Če so sneli najboljšo vojske, Napolena, Adolfa, ja potem neki Ukrajinci brez morale in volje ne morejo biti prehud zaloga.

Dejstvo je, da Kozaki ne bodo odnehali, zato so tudi preživeli.
 

darjan

Vulkanizer
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Zakaj so se pa Kozaki "borili" na maidanu, proti janukoviču?

Toti so te podobni kot štajerci? Če nas napadejo žabarji, tudi nimajo za burek?
 
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Cossacks (Ukrainian: козаки́, koza'ky; Russian: казаки́ [kəzɐˈkʲi] or каза́ки [kɐˈzakʲɪ], kazaki) are a group of predominantly East Slavic people who became known as members of democratic, semi-military communities,[1] predominantly located in Ukraine and in Southern Russia. They inhabited sparsely populated areas and islands in the lower Dnieper,[2] Don, Terek, and Ural river basins and played an important role in the historical and cultural development of both Russia and Ukraine.[3]

The origins of the first Cossacks are disputed, though the 1710 Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk claimed Khazar origin.[4][5] The traditional post-imperial historiography dates the emergence of Cossacks to the 14th or 15th centuries, when two connected groups emerged, the Zaporozhian Sich of the Dnieper and the Don Cossack Host.[6]

The Zaporizhian Sich were a vassal people of Poland–Lithuania during feudal times. Under increasing social and religious pressure from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, in the mid-17th century the Sich declared an independent Cossack Hetmanate, initiated by a rebellion under Bohdan Khmelnytsky. Afterwards, the Treaty of Pereyaslav (1659) brought most of the Ukrainian Cossack state under Russian rule.[7] The Sich with its lands became an autonomous region under the Russian-Polish protectorate.[8]

The Don Cossack Host, which had been established by the 16th century,[9] allied with the Tsardom of Russia. Together they began a systematic conquest and colonisation of lands in order to secure the borders on the Volga, the whole of Siberia (see Yermak Timofeyevich), and the Yaik and the Terek Rivers. Cossack communities had developed along the latter two rivers well before the arrival of the Don Cossacks.[10]

By the 18th century, Cossack hosts in the Russian Empire occupied effective buffer zones on its borders. The expansionist ambitions of the Empire relied on ensuring the loyalty of Cossacks, which caused tension given their traditional exercise of freedom, democratic self-rule, and independence. Cossacks such as Stenka Razin, Kondraty Bulavin, Ivan Mazepa, and Yemelyan Pugachev, led major anti-imperial wars and revolutions in the Empire in order to abolish slavery and odious bureaucracy and to maintain independence. The Empire responded by ruthless executions and tortures, the destruction of the western part of the Don Cossack Host during the Bulavin Rebellion in 1707–1708, the destruction of Baturyn after Mazepa's rebellion in 1708,[11] and the formal dissolution of the Lower Dnieper Zaporozhian Host in 1775, after Pugachev's Rebellion.[12]

By the end of the 18th century, Cossack nations had been transformed into a special military estate (Sosloviye), "a military class".[13] Similar to the knights of medieval Europe in feudal times or the tribal Roman Auxiliaries, the Cossacks came to military service having to obtain charger horses, arms, and supplies at their own expense. The government provided only firearms and supplies for them.[14] Cossack service was considered the most rigorous one.

Because of their military tradition, Cossack forces played an important role in Russia's wars of the 18th–20th centuries such as the Great Northern War, the Seven Years' War, the Crimean War, Napoleonic Wars, Caucasus War, numerous Russo-Persian Wars, numerous Russo-Turkish Wars, and the First World War. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the Tsarist regime used Cossacks extensively to perform police service (for example, both to prevent pogroms and to suppress the revolutionary movement, especially in 1905–7).[15] They also served as border guards on national and internal ethnic borders (as was the case in the Caucasus War).

During the Russian Civil War, Don and Kuban Cossacks were the first nations to declare open war against the Bolsheviks. By 1918, Cossacks declared the complete independence of their nations and formed the independent states, the Ukrainian State, the Don Republic, and the Kuban People's Republic. The Cossack troops formed the effective core of the anti-Bolshevik White Army, and Cossack republics became centers for the Anti-Bolshevik White movement. With the victory of the Red Army, the Cossack lands were subjected to Decossackization and the man-made famine of 1932–33 (Holodomor). After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Cossacks made a systematic return to Russia. Many took an active part in Post-Soviet conflicts and Yugoslav Wars. In Russia's 2010 Population Census, Cossacks have been recognized as an ethnicity.[16] There are Cossack organizations in Russia,

Verjetno niso dolgo premišljevali in takoj segli po orožju