Tak dogovor je neumnost - države, ki naj bi zajemal tak dogovor, imajo povsem same pravico izbirati kam se bodo usmerile.---- No, ti za razliko od Ytvbfja vsaj ločiš med dogovorom in sporazumom...In če imajo države pravico, kam se bodo usmerjale velja to za vse države ali morda samo za nekatere... Dejstvo je, da NATO s svojo agresivno politiko širjenja na vzhod, prisiljujejo Rusijo v poteze in ne obratno... In dejstvo je, da se Rusija zaradi tega čedalje bolj povezuje z Azijo in ostalim svetom in ne Evropo... Kdo bo tu dolgoročno poraženec in kdo zmagovalec, pa bomo še videli...
Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu
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Tak dogovor je neumnost - države, ki naj bi zajemal tak dogovor, imajo povsem same pravico izbirati kam se bodo usmerile.---- No, ti za razliko od Ytvbfja vsaj ločiš med dogovorom in sporazumom...In če imajo države pravico, kam se bodo usmerjale velja to za vse države ali morda samo za nekatere... Dejstvo je, da NATO s svojo agresivno politiko širjenja na vzhod, prisiljujejo Rusijo v poteze in ne obratno... In dejstvo je, da se Rusija zaradi tega čedalje bolj povezuje z Azijo in ostalim svetom in ne Evropo... Kdo bo tu dolgoročno poraženec in kdo zmagovalec, pa bomo še videli...
Je zanimivo kako razni Rusi razprodajajo "rusko" zemljo in kako se je prej Rusija imenovala Sovjetska zveza z svojim največjim rusom Stalinom na čelu....hmmmm
Hruščev=Ukrajinc
Stalin = Gruzijc
Ampak kar naprej tako....je logično
Drugače pa..Krim dominira črnemu morju...njegova vrednost ni samo v vojaškem smislu... Pac-man rad zavaja.....dela se da ne ve marsikaj...v bistvu zelo selektivno izbira informacije, ki jih servira na forumu. Krim=Črno morje...in kot sem rekel zelo pomemben v preprečevanju širjenja NATO vpliva na tem območju....seveda zdaj ob izgubi Krima ni za pričakovat od NATA in njegovih PR(A ne Pac-man) kaj druzga kot: "ma sej Krim ni tolk pomemben"
Še traja: Minsk talks don't have time limits, resumed again. Later today Merkel, Hollande, Poroshenko need to be in Brussels for EuCo meeting
Nekaj se govori o začasnem, 48 urnem, premirju. Poleg tega, pa bi naj putin imel neke zahteve, ki so za porošenka nesprejemljive, verjetno okoli zaprtja UA - ruske meje.
Nekaj se govori o začasnem, 48 urnem, premirju. Poleg tega, pa bi naj putin imel neke zahteve, ki so za porošenka nesprejemljive, verjetno okoli zaprtja UA - ruske meje.
Rebel representatives apparently refused to sign the draft ceasefire agreement, TASS reported.
So prisli vceraj predstavniki upornikov v minsk malo novice beri.
So prisli vceraj predstavniki upornikov v minsk malo novice beri.
#Merkel & #Hollande talk to #Putin behind the closed doors. #Poroshenko is in another room @belpartisan |EMPR
Mogoče so prišli, a so ostali na hodniku, pogajanja so izključno med merkovo, holandom, porošenkom in putinom. No.. lukašenko se še na začetku nastavljal fotografom.
Mogoče so prišli, a so ostali na hodniku, pogajanja so izključno med merkovo, holandom, porošenkom in putinom. No.. lukašenko se še na začetku nastavljal fotografom.
Ker smo lihk na "pogajanjih" nam seveda lahk pomaga k malce bolj širokem pogledu "majčkena" analiza dogajanja.
Mr Poroshenko told AFP: "Unfortunately there's no good news yet. There are conditions that I consider unacceptable" being posed by Russia, he said, declining to elaborate.
Pomoje se gre o meji tu...saj to je dejansko največji problem, če bi rusija zaprla meje in preprečila pretok orožja in "vojakov", bi bile zadeve drugačne.
Pomoje se gre o meji tu...saj to je dejansko največji problem, če bi rusija zaprla meje in preprečila pretok orožja in "vojakov", bi bile zadeve drugačne.
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Uporabnik doctorz pravi:
Nikjer nisem napisal da so zraven v sobi so pa v minsku
Porosenko pa ze tipka po twitterju
Da se razjasni tole...
Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky, the leaders of the self proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, are in Minsk where they are attending a meeting of a multilateral "contact group," but are not party to the talks between Mr Putin and Mr Poroshenko.
Earlier this morning Vladislav Surkov, a close adviser to Vladimir Putin, was seen leaving Independence Palace, where the talks are taking place. Russian journalists said he had been dispatched to inform Mr Zakharchenko and Mr Plotnitsky of the details of the deal agreed by the four leaders.
Ima novca:
The International Monetary Fund and conflict-torn Ukraine have reached a preliminary deal on a new financial rescue plan worth $17.5 billion dollars, the organisation's chief Christine Lagarde said on Thursday, AFP reports.
"I am pleased to announce that the IMF team working in Kiev has concluded a staff-level agreement with the Ukrainian government on a new economic reform programme that would be supported by an extended fund facility of about $17.5 billion (15.5 billion euros) from the IMF," she told a news conference in Brussels.
The International Monetary Fund and conflict-torn Ukraine have reached a preliminary deal on a new financial rescue plan worth $17.5 billion dollars, the organisation's chief Christine Lagarde said on Thursday, AFP reports.
"I am pleased to announce that the IMF team working in Kiev has concluded a staff-level agreement with the Ukrainian government on a new economic reform programme that would be supported by an extended fund facility of about $17.5 billion (15.5 billion euros) from the IMF," she told a news conference in Brussels.
Ne vem, če je že to slučajno bilo tukaj, ampak za simpatizerje rusije bo verjetno prijetno čtivo:
https://vezjak.wordpress.com/2...-pahor-obranil/
https://vezjak.wordpress.com/2...-pahor-obranil/
Ukraine wants a return to the ceasefire line agreed under the original Minsk agreement in September. But Mr Putin wants today's deal to recognise recent rebel gains, which effectively means asking Ukraine to surrender more territory.
Facts on the ground favour the Russian position. The separatist's offensive has lost some momentum in recent days, but they still have the advantage on the battlefield and there is no sign of a Ukrainian counter-offensive that could recover lost ground. If they and Mr Putin refuse to give up their gains, there isn't much Mr Poroshenko can do about it.
In spet verniki ne ločijo med hruškami in jabolkami.... Ko boste ločili med memorandumom in pogodbo, pa še kaj napišite... "Much has been made in the media about the Ukrainian government, if there is such a thing, 'invoking' the Budapest Memorandum as if it were a real military treaty. As I've pointed out much in the comments, this is false. It is not a treaty, has no effect of law that binds the United States to anything. It is merely a statement of diplomatic policy that continues at the whim of the consensus of the leaders that are party to it."