Za ekipe, ki standarno porabijo 300milijonov evro in več je spust na 40 milijonov v enem letu absolutno pretežek zalogaj. Morali bi postopoma zniževati. Na primer naslednje leto max recimo 150 potem 70 potem pa 40. Ali pa pač nekaj podobnega, to bi bilo za ekipe dosti lažje.
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To je čist druga liga... Mercedes je reku, da se bo umaknu, če bo velika kazen. Posledično bi bili oni na veliki izgubi - ekonomska računica se ne izide.
Tukaj pa se govori o reduciranju stroškov za vsa moštva... in kdo se prvi oglasi in joka? Se bojijo, da ne morjo konkurenčnga avta nardit za tak denar?
Tukaj pa se govori o reduciranju stroškov za vsa moštva... in kdo se prvi oglasi in joka? Se bojijo, da ne morjo konkurenčnga avta nardit za tak denar?
Kako Eddie Jordan komentira Ferrari..
'Ferrari quit threat no surprise' - Jordan
13 May 2009
Eddie Jordan finds Ferrari's threat to leave F1 for next season as no surprise, as the chance of a 'two-tier' championship remains on the cards for 2010. The Italian team, reigning constructors' World Champions, made the pledge on Tuesday as a result of the FIA's proposed budget cap scheme coming into action next year, becoming the third team to hint such a possibility.
Jordan, who ran his own F1 team between 1991 and 2004 before selling to Alex Schneider's Midland outfit, admits he half expected the annoucement. "Ferrari have a lot of advantages over other teams," he explained to Setanta. "They've got their own circuit, they've got big wind tunnels, a lot of facilities that many of other teams don't have; they got all of that through being successful over the years, winning things and with big budgets.
"So they're thinking, 'why should we be dragged down to the same level of the minions, because those teams are used to running on these kinds of budgets and will give us a good run for our money as a result? They may even paste us; we may not be successful if we don't run to the existing rules anymore.'
"They are clearly suffering this year already, anyway, because of the restrictions on testing and the restrictions on the other regulations, so any continuance of the tightening of the regulations will only make matters worse for Ferrari. So they must be thinking, 'If we can't resolve this, well, what's the point in staying in because we're not going to win again?'"
Jordan made a return to the F1 paddock at the beginning of 2009, as a pundit for the BBC's television coverage alongside Jake Humphrey and Red Bull retiree David Coulthard. "They're a great institution," Jordan continued of the Scuderia. "If you look at any of the computer games that the kids are playing, you'll always have a red car. I think Ferrari is a very, very good fit to F1 - could it survive without them? Of course it could, but it would be better if Ferrari remained a part of it."
Jordan went on to describe this season's new-look World Championship as a 'changing of the guard', as Brawn GP moves to the top of the constructors' standings with Red Bull and Toyota. "The people that were traditionally at the front, McLaren and Ferrari, don't like it," he said plainly. "Is it going to be like that permanently? I don't think so. It'll all resolve itself in time."
The Irishman concluded by admitting that F1's ringmaster feels the need to throw a number of variables into the mix from time to time. "I honestly think that if Bernie Ecclestone (head of Formula One Management, commerial rights holder of the sport) doesn't see confusion or any aggravation that he thinks, 'I've got to create some.' Because that's what he believes in and that's what creates the image that the sport has: full of ups and downs - if it's not on the back page he wants to know why it's not on the front page, and vice versa.
"Max Mosley (FIA president) and Bernie Ecclestone are absolutely brilliant at this sort of thing and, whether you like it or not, it does draw people to watch the whole show.
'Ferrari quit threat no surprise' - Jordan
13 May 2009
Eddie Jordan finds Ferrari's threat to leave F1 for next season as no surprise, as the chance of a 'two-tier' championship remains on the cards for 2010. The Italian team, reigning constructors' World Champions, made the pledge on Tuesday as a result of the FIA's proposed budget cap scheme coming into action next year, becoming the third team to hint such a possibility.
Jordan, who ran his own F1 team between 1991 and 2004 before selling to Alex Schneider's Midland outfit, admits he half expected the annoucement. "Ferrari have a lot of advantages over other teams," he explained to Setanta. "They've got their own circuit, they've got big wind tunnels, a lot of facilities that many of other teams don't have; they got all of that through being successful over the years, winning things and with big budgets.
"So they're thinking, 'why should we be dragged down to the same level of the minions, because those teams are used to running on these kinds of budgets and will give us a good run for our money as a result? They may even paste us; we may not be successful if we don't run to the existing rules anymore.'
"They are clearly suffering this year already, anyway, because of the restrictions on testing and the restrictions on the other regulations, so any continuance of the tightening of the regulations will only make matters worse for Ferrari. So they must be thinking, 'If we can't resolve this, well, what's the point in staying in because we're not going to win again?'"
Jordan made a return to the F1 paddock at the beginning of 2009, as a pundit for the BBC's television coverage alongside Jake Humphrey and Red Bull retiree David Coulthard. "They're a great institution," Jordan continued of the Scuderia. "If you look at any of the computer games that the kids are playing, you'll always have a red car. I think Ferrari is a very, very good fit to F1 - could it survive without them? Of course it could, but it would be better if Ferrari remained a part of it."
Jordan went on to describe this season's new-look World Championship as a 'changing of the guard', as Brawn GP moves to the top of the constructors' standings with Red Bull and Toyota. "The people that were traditionally at the front, McLaren and Ferrari, don't like it," he said plainly. "Is it going to be like that permanently? I don't think so. It'll all resolve itself in time."
The Irishman concluded by admitting that F1's ringmaster feels the need to throw a number of variables into the mix from time to time. "I honestly think that if Bernie Ecclestone (head of Formula One Management, commerial rights holder of the sport) doesn't see confusion or any aggravation that he thinks, 'I've got to create some.' Because that's what he believes in and that's what creates the image that the sport has: full of ups and downs - if it's not on the back page he wants to know why it's not on the front page, and vice versa.
"Max Mosley (FIA president) and Bernie Ecclestone are absolutely brilliant at this sort of thing and, whether you like it or not, it does draw people to watch the whole show.
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Nič se ne govori o tem za vsa moštva.
Mal z odprto glavo (kokr ti sploh zmoreš) pomisli, kaj to vse pomeni...
Dost ti bi lohk povedalo že to, da noben ni za to, čeprav mislijo vsi manj vlagat sam ne na tak način da gledaš 2 različne dirke skrati.
Pravila ne veljajo za vsa moštva? Vsak se sam odloči ali bo presegel mejo ali ne, pravila bodo verjetno pa itak jasno napisana glede bonifikacij, ki jih bodo imela moštva, katera bodo pod omejitvijo.
Toliko o odprti glavi...
edit: Očitno tudi Eddie Jordan preveč ozko razmišlja
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Ko bi vsaj maaaaalllllceeee pomislil kaj to pomeni....dvojni pravilnik.
Bonifikacije so tako hude, da bi tudi fefafi odpustil 500 ljudi in šel samo do 40mio, prej bojo pa raje odpustil vse pa poslali F1 v 3pm.
O proračunu....fefafi zagoni manj kot je honda, manj kot Toyota, velikokrat manj kot Mclaren pa so še vedno cufali in za to ni bil "kriv" šufaker. Dobro se vidi kaj naredi Brawn skoraj na svoje, al pa newey, kateri je domala garant za hiter dirkalnik, ti ljudje pa niso dragi ampak jih je pa zelo zelo malo.
Bonifikacije bi ble nad 2s na krog, tega se ne da naredit pod omejitvijo.
Bonifikacije so tako hude, da bi tudi fefafi odpustil 500 ljudi in šel samo do 40mio, prej bojo pa raje odpustil vse pa poslali F1 v 3pm.
O proračunu....fefafi zagoni manj kot je honda, manj kot Toyota, velikokrat manj kot Mclaren pa so še vedno cufali in za to ni bil "kriv" šufaker. Dobro se vidi kaj naredi Brawn skoraj na svoje, al pa newey, kateri je domala garant za hiter dirkalnik, ti ljudje pa niso dragi ampak jih je pa zelo zelo malo.
Bonifikacije bi ble nad 2s na krog, tega se ne da naredit pod omejitvijo.
Men je čist jasno kaj pomeni dvojni pravilnik. Itak bi bil tisti drugi del za proračun 40mio+ bolj na papirju, da fefafi in podobni ne morjo jokat, da jih FIA omejuje in jim ne pusti zapravljat. V končni fazi pa bi vsi morali zreducirat stroške, če bi hotli bit konkurenčni ali pa res naredit čudež, za katerega si pa že sam ugotovil, da ni potreben samo denar.
Brawn je letos dokazal, da denar ni bistvenega pomena pri hitrem dirkalnikov, zato je jokanje o omejitvi stroškov toliko bolj nesmiselno. Da ne govorim o jokanju Ferrarija, da so za nove difuzorje ponucal več 10mio€. Jih je Brawn na hitro utišal....Če se pa Ferrariju bolj izide, da gre vem iz F1, kot da bi moral zreducirat stroške pa naj gre. Itak na koncu ne bodo imeli jajc odit.
Je pa res, da je 45mio€ verjetno malo pretirana omejitev. Ampak verjetno se da tudi okoli te meje kaj pogajat, ne samo ali bo omejitev ali je ne bo.
Brawn je letos dokazal, da denar ni bistvenega pomena pri hitrem dirkalnikov, zato je jokanje o omejitvi stroškov toliko bolj nesmiselno. Da ne govorim o jokanju Ferrarija, da so za nove difuzorje ponucal več 10mio€. Jih je Brawn na hitro utišal....Če se pa Ferrariju bolj izide, da gre vem iz F1, kot da bi moral zreducirat stroške pa naj gre. Itak na koncu ne bodo imeli jajc odit.
Je pa res, da je 45mio€ verjetno malo pretirana omejitev. Ampak verjetno se da tudi okoli te meje kaj pogajat, ne samo ali bo omejitev ali je ne bo.
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Jao...krneki.
Kot ponavadi, veliko napišeš a nič ne poveš.
Pojdi vsaj na kako F1 stran in to ne slovensko in si kaj preber.
Prosim razjasni mi... kaj ne drži kar sem napisal. Ko nimaš kaj napisat pa začneš pošiljat folk na "tuje internetne strani". Po možnosti nemške, ker angleške so že premalo tr00 zate
Omejitve so [censored]. Zakaj bi mogle bit? Če nimaš dnarja, se pa ne jet igre. Problem so samo razni stari naziji pa un bedak od bernija. Ko jih jebe. V formuli vsi samo jamrajo, da bi jo pa poslal u krac, pa jajc nimajo. Nej grejo na svoje. 5 fosilov se zmisli pravila za vsko sezono, ekipe pa gagajo potem pa zapravljajo za razvoj. Pa zamrznitev razvoja motorje, pa une gume, pa te gume, pa tankal boste tkole, pa še vem kaj vse...tok k se pustijo jebat, jih pa jebejo. Konec zgodbe. Če imaš dnar za rane Kakaje, Ronalde, Zidane, Roonije...si pač narediš dobro ekipo. Če ne si pa nekje zadaj. A bi moglo bit s formulo kej drgač?
Ja
Saj to je to, vsako leto popolnoma prefukajo pravila, da je se vec stroskov.. v ta brezvezen KERS so zmetali po ohohoo kesa.. Pa se pravila so ohlapna - difuzor fajt.. Pa bannani so wingi, pa ce pogledas Renault, se spet pojavljajo okol airboxa... slaba pravila pa vsak let en kup sprememb, pa je dizastr..
Saj to je to, vsako leto popolnoma prefukajo pravila, da je se vec stroskov.. v ta brezvezen KERS so zmetali po ohohoo kesa.. Pa se pravila so ohlapna - difuzor fajt.. Pa bannani so wingi, pa ce pogledas Renault, se spet pojavljajo okol airboxa... slaba pravila pa vsak let en kup sprememb, pa je dizastr..
Sej noben ne brani Ferrariju da odide... Naj gre, pa naj naredijo Ferrari F1 cup in zabijejo 500mio€ za razvoj. Lohk si še sistem za spuščanje olja al pa špice na feltne naštimajo.
Verjemi, da je v F1 še kaj več kakor si ti predstavljaš. Brez močne organizacije, ki stoji za F1, tekmovanje takih razsežnosti neb moglo funkcionirat, pa da se jebeš.
Pa daleč od tega, da bi mi bile všeč vse spremembe, ki jih FIA sprejema...
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Pa da se polovica mularije potem s 1500 konji pobije
Heitfelda sigurno nebi blo zraven, njemu so že slicki bli too much dangerous...
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